[superblonde]

superblonde wrote:

Uli Jon Roth: It’s like the hundredth monkey syndrome

Is one of us supposed to be the monkey in this scenerio? Who’s the monkey? I’m the monkey?

(No one else said it so I finally had to)

I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! ♯ ♮ ♭ ø ° Δ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬
And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

• This reply was modified 9 years, 1 month ago by superblonde.

[superblonde]

To Jay’s point, maybe it should be about the audience and not the band, with a twist. Especially with the small town thing going on. Maybe somehow you can survey the audience for what they want to hear and also survey those who you’d want to become the audience, for what songs might bring them in. Basically, find a bunch of AiC fans and get them to come to the show 😀 then say, ” Look! All these guys & gals really want us to play Man In the Box!” You never know, you might start a new niche with a new crowd and even the venue might like it (new drinkers).. that would be my sneaky take on things (secretly start posting “AiC tribute show!” ads to your own show 😀 .. to bring them in). AiC was one of the biggest, most influential bands of the 90s, it’s not so out of the ordinary for any rock person to be a fan of them. Maybe the other band members are misjudging the audience? Even chicks like AiC! (Even more, because AiC songs have a danceable groove and singable lyrics.) Ahhh, see, it’s the chicks that will change the dudes’ opinions. 😀

This also takes the pressure off of you guys presumably. The fans are telling the band what to play, instead of the band having to decide.

On the business angle. You say you don’t want to get paid, but that’s kind of bunk. You want to get paid. (Why not? Getting paid is getting rewarded for partying, and the hard work, by the fans.) Tribute bands create a brand and a look, and are a better business model. Seeking cash does create a type of focus. Even if you don’t need the money.

I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! ♯ ♮ ♭ ø ° Δ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬
And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

[superblonde]

Anonymous wrote:

Just so I will be forgiven for disappearing these last few years, one of the projects I got so consumed with was writing and recording a bunch of songs for the acoustic guitar

Acoustic? Totally not forgiven. 😀

Welcome back

I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! ♯ ♮ ♭ ø ° Δ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬
And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

[superblonde]

Energetic Band Searching For A Bassist !

(see attached pic. what the eff?? Hah )

I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! ♯ ♮ ♭ ø ° Δ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬
And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

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[superblonde]

In comparison to metal, Jazz has a well established list of “the top 100 jazz standards” that every student learns (thru more structured jazz instruction I suppose, and also their fake books) and so jazz guys can usually say they know certain standards. So they probably have a few songs in common with other guitarists they might meet. Rock is more ad hoc, it seems guitarists come from different directions. So would you say there is a list of “the top 10 standard metal songs” ? In the 80s it was probably a couple hits by Led Zep. Maybe not anymore?

I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! ♯ ♮ ♭ ø ° Δ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬
And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

[superblonde]

Ahh yes, music-induced emotional trauma 😀 I’m trying to come to terms with perhaps someday having to learn a song by Journey.. LOL The currently booked visits to the therapist might not be enough.

Maybe you’d be great in a tribute band (or, heading your existing band in that direction)? I’ve been browsing craigslist every so often and I’m kind of happily surprised by the variety of ‘looking for musician’ postings for small tribute bands out there. Even obscure old bands (like punk bands with names I don’t remember) have tribute bands. Then there’s the standard artists to cover of course, AiC as you mentioned, etc. Even a Foo tribute band (I never guessed they’d have tribute bands right now).

Also I dunno if it can really be said that mainstream is ‘only’ where the money is. As with any business, it’s more about finding your niche and milking it. You only need a three bookings a week and your calendar would be beyond overflowing right? What I mean is that, if you “find out who you want to be” and then brand yourself 100% that way, whether or not there’s look-a-like costumes involved (I dunno, some tribute bands do that for example), if you get really good at the performance, even if it is a niche, and maintain good business practices, then you’ll get placements. Or am I being way too naive. Presumably you’re not talking about only playing Voivod or something both obscure and ear-crushing.. not sure a tribute band for them would be too popular in general venues.. AiC though, man they are pretty mainstream in the general rock realm and I have definitely seen tribute band postings for them.

I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! ♯ ♮ ♭ ø ° Δ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬
And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

[superblonde]

I dunno about bands but I know when relationships get to this situation of, “you were able to do blah even though I hated it, so now I get to do blah blah even though you hate it”, there is a breakup in the works. There is a way to get back to the good side of things, a “sit down talk” is one of them, another way is spontaneous positive reenforcement while they’re doing something they dislike, which changes anyone’s perception of what they’re doing.

The singer is in the toughest position. He has to get up there and put his heart and soul into the songs, and it’s hard to do that with songs that he doesn’t like.

Can I naively say that I’m not sure this is the case? Since a singer feeds off of the audience as well as gives to the audience, then I would figure that any popular song (meaning, it has a very good crowd response to that specific crowd) would totally change the singer’s perception of the song for the better. Conversely if his favorite song in the world goes out there and tanks, then it should also adjust his perception of the song… otherwise he is not being a good front man. So really it’s more about being man enough to get over preconceived prejudices for, or against, a particular song, enough to perform it live several times and get the audience feedback. Is that right? Slash hated Sweet Child o Mine and said he thought it sucked and he didn’t want to play it.. Nowadays I’d bet he really likes it 😀 (Considering it’s voted to be in the top 10 guitar riffs of all time!)

I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! ♯ ♮ ♭ ø ° Δ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬
And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

[superblonde]

Lefty guitar instructors probably have a natural advantage when teaching! Because, sitting facing the student, the guitar necks are pointing in the same way, like a mirror image. What a great way as a student to see the fretboard and fingering – just like looking in a mirror. Now if playing beside someone, then everything is a little backwards ;-D

Oh yea, not to mention MAB is lefty turned into rightie turned into ambi.

I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! ♯ ♮ ♭ ø ° Δ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬
And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

[superblonde]

For perspective, recall something similar happened to Kirk Windstein last summer though too, a fan got on stage, was tackled by security, both bumped into the guitarist from behind, guitarist assaults the fan in self-defense.

What I find amazing is that neither club management or artists themselves make announcements before shows, “do not get up on stage!” or other warnings (“do not mosh!”, whatever) in those places where it is off limits. At least, not at any show I’ve been to. Or even, “do not hold up smartphones!” .. that would be really nice.

Crowbar – Planets Collide
Crowbar frontman Kirk Windstein goes off after fan climbs on stage

On Thursday, May 22, Crowbar was performing at Maryland Deathfest in Baltimore, MD when a fan climbed onto the stage, briefly dancing before being tackled by security. The tackle nearly knocked over Crowbar frontman Kirk Windstein, who subsequently stopped the band’s set and made the following statement:

“Stop this *** song! I’m so sick of this ***. You’ve got *** like Randy Blythe — nicest *** guy in the world. Some *** goes into his office, *** his *** world up, and the guy almost goes to prison in a foreign *** country. [Pointing at audience] Who does what for a living? Do I go into your office and *** your computer up? No. You know why? I respect you and I love you. Thank you. A lot of people think I’m a ***, go suck one, ***. This is about respect. My eyes are closed, I’m playing my goddamn heart out. You could have broken every *** tooth in my mouth. Thank you, security.”
—————-
This morning, Windstein issued the following:

“In regards to the fan jumping onstage during our set at Maryland Death Fest. The MDF organizers/venue do not allow fans to run on stage uninvited. That’s their policy. They had barriers and security in plain sight to prevent that. If someone chooses to go against their policy, I have no control over that and at a show like this I’m not expecting anyone to run onto the stage, especially during Planets Collide. So I’m rocking out, my eyes are closed and then I guess security tackled the fan into me. I was already on edge having driven 15 hours straight through the night without sleep to play the gig. We had no back up guitars or techs with us so If we broke a guitar or even a string, the set would have been seriously delayed or ended. At shows WITHOUT security or barricades if you decide to run on stage or dive off it, at least be respectful, get up and dive off and try not to hit into the band or break their gear and try not to break your neck or the neck of someone else. Thanks for understanding!”

I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! ♯ ♮ ♭ ø ° Δ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬
And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

[superblonde]

My guitar has a kickstand leg that works great on the lap. 😀 No more strap (unless I stand up)

https://headlessusa.com/flip-down-legrest

I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! ♯ ♮ ♭ ø ° Δ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬
And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

[superblonde]

Wow that is heavy man.

Watch out, violent video so I wont embed the many youtube copies, just go to nbcnews if you want to see a guitarist turn around mid-riff and punch a stage runner hard enough she drops. (I also wont link to tmz because that site is scummy.) https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/music/rapper-afroman-arrested-after-punching-female-fan-concert-n308396

Billboard news link https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/the-juice/6473118/afroman-arrested-for-punching-fan-onstage-mid-show

Afroman, the rapper behind the 2001 hit “Because I Got High,” stunned fans at a concert Tuesday night in Biloxi, Mississippi, when he socked a petite female fan who hopped up on stage and started dancing beside him.

The shocking sucker punch to the head forced the woman to the ground and left her bleeding and crying until the house lights came back on, according to reports. Local radio personality John Govia told NBC News the crowd was dumbfounded after the incident. Some people in the audience began to boo, and the owner of the Kress Live venue quickly canceled the performance.

Police were called to the scene and arrested the entertainer, whose real name is Joseph Edgar Foreman. He was booked on an assault charge and released on a $330 bond, according to reports.

A rep for the Grammy Award-nominated rapper told Billboard magazine that Afroman was caught off guard by the woman and reacted with a punch.

“This was a completely involuntary reflex reaction to people infringing on his stage space,” the rep said in a prepared statement. “It was uncharacteristic behavior that was initiated by outside uncontrolled forces.”

In a tweet on Wednesday afternoon, Afroman gave a curt reaction:
“It is what it is.”

Afroman says he’s headed for inpatient anger management rehab and is remorseful for viciously striking a woman at his concert Tuesday.

I don’t have an opinion, just skimming the youtube comments, the peanut gallery comments are split, not one-sided as might be expected. Many are saying: “She shouldn’t be there, watch the longer video, she was intoxicated and grabbing attention by dancing near him, it’s her fault” and many are saying: “Pure violence, no excuse, lock him up”.

I guess this happened on Mardi Gras? It reminds me why I don’t go out on those days. I probably won’t go out on St Patricks Day either. Odds are much higher that there’s trouble or just an overall bad vibe from the many drinkers — especially amateur drinkers.

I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! ♯ ♮ ♭ ø ° Δ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬
And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

[superblonde]

Godsmack talks about their song writing process at 8:00 of this interview. (I’m not a Godsmack fan, not sure why, their music sounds too poppy to me somehow?)

Godsmack Interview

And about their beat-the-pavement early days.. it’s harder today? Or maybe just different?

On GODSMACK’s formation:
“We started… It was funny, ’cause Sully [Erna, vocals/guitar] had called me up. He was a drummer. He played in a thrash band. And he said he wanted to sing and play punk. And I kind of laughed at him. And then a couple of months later, we [got] together with a guitar player. It wasn’t punk; we were just making music. He was on the drums. When we couldn’t really find a singer, he goes, ‘I’m gonna make a try at this.’ So that’s how we started. We just started writing and writing, and we got better and better and better, and got to a point where we, basically, put the CD out on our own. We did a bunch of showcases. None of the record labels showed up. We were selling the CD out of the trunk. And probably about nine months later, it was funny, we were at [a restaurant] with all the labels at this big room, and we got signed. We already signed, but other labels still wanted to come out and try to talk us out of it and try to [convince] us to jump on with them. But we kind of laughed at it. It was, like, ‘You missed the boat.’ And the rest is history. The first record sold, like, five million records, and we’ve been going ever since. We got signed in May 1998.”
On how GODSMACK managed to get the attention of record labels early on:
“Man, we just never would give up. We started our own scene. We’d go to Boston and nobody was there. And then we just started playing around the area. And we kept on playing certain clubs within a half hour from Boston and we just kept on pounding it. We were a really good live band, and people started showing up, and more people showing up. And a [radio] DJ, Rocco, from WAAF, started playing us on the radio, and that helped. It was us just pounding it and being persistent. There was another band, too, that you probably know of, STAIND. They were from Springfield, Massachusetts, about two hours away from us, and what we would do with them is we’d go in their area and back them up, and then they’d come in our area and back us up. So we’d be playing in packed houses all over the place before we got signed, so at least six months or so. So we built our own scene. That’s pretty much how we did it. I feel bad now, ’cause the bands that are upcoming now, it’s even worse. All the record labels are not signing rock bands anymore, and everything’s on YouTube and you’ve gotta go through all that social-media stuff. We did it just meat-and-potato type — just go out there and play.”
https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/godsmacks-robbie-merrill-feels-bad-for-rock-bands-that-are-starting-out-today/

I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! ♯ ♮ ♭ ø ° Δ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬
And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

[superblonde]

Well what can I say, you guys are inspiring 😀
Thanks Will and Dee J and Sarah.
Sarah – very interesting that you mention melodic principles because right after I uploaded this video I opened that up and was looking at the mp warmup in gp6 most of the next morning. I’m gonna schedule it into my next set of stuff to do.

This MPC exercise is also a great strength workout, my picking arm felt like it was going to fall off the first day I tried playing it.

I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! ♯ ♮ ♭ ø ° Δ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬
And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

[superblonde]

Here is a great interview where Motor Sister talks about “the state of rock n roll” at 5 min mark, and also how the 70s had a ton of bad, single-only based pop music that no one remembers (we only remember the good stuff) and how the situation seems similar to today. Also how there are so few good rock radio stations anymore.

MOTOR SISTER (starring Scott Ian): NEW Album, State of Rock N’ Roll & Grammys Drama!

I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! ♯ ♮ ♭ ø ° Δ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬
And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

[superblonde]

Paul McCartney gives an alternate view – that writing/recording music today is more difficult in specific ways.  The example he gives, in recording songs, the musicians used to be able to record in a single take, and now they don’t [can’t or don’t or won’t?].

Watching the video is better, the below quote doesn’t do the interview justice.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-30931384

Sir Paul McCartney on music production
13 February 2015

The process of making music was “easier” in the past Sir Paul McCartney has told BBC Click’s Spencer Kelly.
Big Beatles’ hits like Michelle and Yesterday could be recorded, mixed, taped and done in one day, he said.
But new ways of working meant that a song no longer needed to be written before a musician went into a recording studio to put a track together.
Sir Paul said he advised young musicians to write their songs first: “It sounds obvious but people don’t do that so much these days.”

 

I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! ♯ ♮ ♭ ø ° Δ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬
And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

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