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    • #36153
      rorygfan
      Participant

      SB your Rock is Dead 3 was loading way slow like the previous rock is dead 2.

      I haven’t been at this forum for quite awhile, but saw this article and laughed. Lately as age creeps in, my bucket list items keep getting crossed off, and some don’t even make the list anymore- like seeing the Stones again. A friend flew up to Florida to see the Stones in Ft. Lauderdale. Haven’t seen his videos or photos yet. They pushed the concert BACK reverse one day (Friday) due to Dorian scaling up to potentially wreck S. Florida.

      The list below does not include Ian Hunter who is 80 right now, older than the rest.
      And I see he is continuing his touring this fall, maybe I should go fly up to Dallas, though I got to see him in Agoura I believe was about 2006:
      https://www.mottthehoople-74.com/

      And see for the first time this great and strange song (very english colloquial culture lyrics- “Eton Democracy…”, lol no American’s really know wtf that is, you have read about it- the “private” school for the rich kids) from the Hoople Album played live, wore my 8 track tape out of album.

      <br>

      The author forgot Chris Cornell and Kurt Cobain it seems. “Journalists” lol.

      https://theweek.com/articles/861750/coming-death-just-about-every-rock-legend

      “Yes, we’ve lost some already. On top of the icons who died horribly young decades ago — Brian Jones, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison, Elvis Presley, John Lennon — there’s the litany of legends felled by illness, drugs, and just plain old age in more recent years: George Harrison, Ray Charles, Michael Jackson, Lou Reed, David Bowie, Glenn Frey, Prince, Leonard Cohen, Tom Petty.”

      “Those losses have been painful. But it’s nothing compared with the tidal wave of obituaries to come. The grief and nostalgia will wash over us all. Yes, the Boomers left alive will take it hardest — these were their heroes and generational compatriots. But rock remained the biggest game in town through the 1990s, which implicates GenXers like myself, no less than plenty of millennials.”

      All of which means there’s going to be an awful lot of mourning going on.

      Behold the killing fields that lie before us: Bob Dylan (78 years old); Paul McCartney (77); Paul Simon (77) and Art Garfunkel (77); Carole King (77); Brian Wilson (77); Mick Jagger (76) and Keith Richards (75); Joni Mitchell (75); Jimmy Page (75) and Robert Plant (71); Ray Davies (75); Roger Daltrey (75) and Pete Townshend (74); Roger Waters (75) and David Gilmour (73); Rod Stewart (74); Eric Clapton (74); Debbie Harry (74); Neil Young (73); Van Morrison (73); Bryan Ferry (73); Elton John (72); Don Henley (72); James Taylor (71); Jackson Browne (70); Billy Joel (70); and Bruce Springsteen (69, but turning 70 next month).

      My memories will remain seeing them with GNR opening in late 1980’s and of course on DVD, their 74 tour. The projection system and lighting looks amazing though.

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    • #36155
      rorygfan
      Participant

      Some of nice footage has emerged I see of Bowie during the Ziggy Era.
      For the first years when music was reissued on CD’s his were not released, nice to
      see this old footage appear.

      Nothing compares today with the originality, to this. Nothing.

      RIP Mick Ronson- also not mentioned.

      R n R Suicide- At Hammersmith Odeon in London 1973. No huge projection screens, no fancy graphics.
      Just costumes and Rock and Roll.

      Cracked Actor from Aladdin Sane, he buried his Ziggy Era stuff here and dropped Mick and the Spiders.

    • #36156
      rorygfan
      Participant

      Angus is 64. RIP Malcolm and Bon Scott, Brian Johnson is 71, Cliff Williams 69, Phil Rudd 65.

      Rip John Entwhistle and Keith Moon

      Ray Davies is 75

    • #36157
      rightonthemark
      Participant

      and more aging rockers…

      ozzy osbourne
      steven tyler
      alice cooper
      peter criss
      carlos santana
      neal schon
      sammy hagar
      robin trower
      phil mogg
      ian gillan
      roger glover
      ian paice
      glenn tipton
      rudolf schenker
      klaus meine
      ritchie blackmore
      mick jones
      mick ralphs
      paul rodgers
      simon kirke
      brian may
      roger taylor
      tom scholz

      are all in their 70s.

      rock and roll ain't pretty; that's why they picked us to play it.

    • #36161
      Byron
      Participant

      Life is a terminal condition.

    • #36162
      Sarah Spisak
      Keymaster

      “All beings are unmanifest in the beginning, manifest in the middle, and unmanifest in the end.” -Krishna 🙂

    • #36163
      superblonde
      Keymaster

      “i want to have my kicks, before the front of house goes up in flames.” – jim morrison


      The Doors When The Music’s Over by Robby Krieger Live 2018
      Robby Krieger was live in concert at The Rose, Pasadena, CA on June 9, 2018.

      maybe i should go to this one
      celebrate the artists while they’re still here.
      Phil Chen (the bassist) is also the same age!

      September 28, 2019
      Robby Krieger
      Los Angeles, CA
      Whisky a Go Go

      I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! ♯ ♮ ♭ ø ° Δ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬
      And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

    • #36164
      superblonde
      Keymaster

      By the way at about 08:30 of that video, during a vocal pause, gavin goes over to robby to tell him something, i would not at all be surprised if it turned out that gavin was going to remind robby of what to play “we’re in the 2nd section now, play the 2nd solo” in case robby is easily lost these days. that is the reality.

      i sure hope no one brings him back as a hologram though.. ugh.

      i saw guitar shorty perform last year in santa monica (I think?) and his playing was phenomenal and glad I went, but, he was clearly “not all there” and the drummer was really working hard to keep the song form together on each song, trying to lead the phrases so entire songs didn’t fall apart. (not a criticism of guitar shorty, he is well into his 80’s??) i ran into the drummer after the show and gave him big props for holding things together, he agreed it was hard, we both agreed it was worth it. the fingers of old guitarists don’t seem to forget! but the mind does not always seem to last as long. pretty odd but enjoy the art while it lasts.

      Many many years ago I saw Pinetop Perkins on his last tour, (I would bet he was forced to tour for financial reasons even in very bad health), he went away after that tour, the concert was great even though the music was rather terrible (many people in audience were complaining and saying they were going to try to get refunds). At least I got to see the real person behind the music and I made the most of it.

      Dick Dale, the original surf rocker, same way, who I had never seen except recently, (and unfortunately now, because he chose to talk petty politics repeatedly on stage, I will somewhat remember him for that rather than his music, regardless of whether he was a likeable guy or not), I finally saw his tour after many years and now he is gone – again he was forced to tour essentially out of financial necessity even in very mixed health. He needed a lot, a lot of help onstage while playing, to remember what parts to play when, yet amazingly, once he got going, his fingers would simply fly, great tone.

      I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! ♯ ♮ ♭ ø ° Δ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬
      And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

    • #36171
      superblonde
      Keymaster

      Tool has absolutely rocked the charts for the past month, many of their prior albums went back on the charts, as their new songs from their new album are also screaming up the charts, and breaking multiple historic records.

      Tool has definitely given hard rock & metal a kick-in-the-pants.

      Billboard.com

      Two high-profile new moves in the long career of Tool — who released their first new song in 13 years and made their entrance onto digital and streaming platforms for the first time — allow the hard rock act to storm Billboard’s rock charts in record fashion (on surveys dated Aug. 17).

      We’ll start with albums, none of which Tool has released since 2006’s 10,000 Days. Still, the band’s four studio sets enter the Top Rock Albums chart after their arrival on digital services (both for purchase and streaming), led by 1996’s AEnima, which debuts at No. 1 with 33,000 equivalent album units earned, according to Nielsen Music. Tool’s 2001 album Lateralus follows (No. 2, 27,000 units), with 10,000 Days re-entering the tally at No. 4 (24,000 units) and 1993’s Undertow rounding out the top five at No. 5 (23,000).

      By claiming four of the top five on Top Rock Albums, Tool becomes the first act with at least that many in the region in the list’s history, besting Linkin Park’s mark of three on the Aug. 12, 2017, chart following the death of frontman Chester Bennington.

      Tool also takes four of the top five spots on Hard Rock Albums, also the first act to achieve the feat.

      On the all-format Billboard 200, four Tool LPs re-enter, led by AEnima at No. 10, while Undertow reaches a new peak at No. 19 (besting its prior No. 50 high in November 1993). Plus, 1992 EP Opiate reaches the Billboard 200 for the first time ever, at No. 59.

      Song-wise, 13 Tool titles reach the streaming-, sales- and airplay-based Hot Rock Songs tally, where older entries can chart if they rank in the top half and have a meaningful reason for their resurgence.

      On the Rock Digital Song Sales chart, Tool holds 15 of the tally’s 25 spots, including the entire top 10, marking the first time that an act has occupied the top tier. Queen previously held the record, snagging eight of the top 10 for two weeks in March, powered by buzz for the band’s Bohemian Rhapsody biopic. “Sober” leads at No. 1, becoming Tool’s first Rock Digital Song Sales leader.

      Tool also takes 17 of the 25 positions on Hard Rock Digital Song Sales, including the top 14. That (you guessed it) is also a record, although one shared with Queen, which infused the top 14 twice, for a week each in March and last November.

      Moving on to “Fear Inoculum,” Tool’s first new music since 2006’s 10,000 Days debuts at No. 4 on Hot Rock Songs after its Aug. 7 release, garnering 3.9 million streams and 17,000 downloads through the tracking week ending Aug. 8.

      Additionally, the song launches at radio, debuting at No. 20 on Mainstream Rock Songs and at No. 28 on the all-rock-format Rock Airplay chart, garnering 2.6 million audience impressions through Aug. 11.

      The track is Tool’s first Billboard Hot 100 entry since 2001, bowing at No. 93 on the all-genre chart, and grants the group another record: At 10 minutes and 21 seconds long, it’s the longest hit in the Hot 100’s 61-year history, as well as the first to run over 10 minutes.

      I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! ♯ ♮ ♭ ø ° Δ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬
      And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

    • #36174
      sky blue metal
      Participant

      Lots of memories there for me. Remember “Yes” from the early 70’s in Miami.

    • #36176
      Dave Pickering
      Participant

      I saw Mott the Hoople back in the 70’s (probably on the same tour as the “All the Way from Memphis” clip above). Queen was the opening act. Both bands were incredible (Brian May absolutely blew me away).

      BTW, Dale “Buffin” Griffin, who was the drummer for Mott the Hoople, passed away in 2016 due to Alzheimer’s disease.

      My biggest fear is when I die, my wife will sell my guitars for what I told her they cost.

    • #36177
      vinay
      Participant

      Just glad that the death of an individual doesn’t imply the end of an art form! Though especially when Chuck Schuldiner passed December 2001, it definitely felt like the end of the world for me. Considering what happened a few months prior of course, the world had definitely changed for the worse. But still, the beauty of music for the past couple of decades has been that it is being recorded. Bands get disbanded, artists die, master tapes go up in flames but there will always be people out there who have copies for people to listen to.

      Whether it is still worth the effort for an artist to put money into recording an album is a still a hot debate of course. I still believe it is and I’m still of the rare breed (apparently) that isn’t subscribed to a streaming service but who actually buys proper copies on cd or vinyl, preferably upfront straight from the artists.

      Because yeah, if rock artists no longer record their material then yeah, that is when music dies. I don’t see that happen anytime soon though!

    • #36195
      rorygfan
      Participant

      I saw Mott the Hoople back in the 70’s (probably on the same tour as the “All the Way from Memphis” clip above). Queen was the opening act. Both bands were incredible (Brian May absolutely blew me away).

      BTW, Dale “Buffin” Griffin, who was the drummer for Mott the Hoople, passed away in 2016 due to Alzheimer’s disease.

      Lucky guy! I missed seeing Bowie same era too, had the Diamond Dogs tour in, but for some reason I didn’t buy tickets. Got to See Ian twice. Once with Mick Ronson in 90’s a couple years before he died, and Ian of course solo. I had a friend invite me to see early 2000’s both Johnny Winter, and John Lee Hooker- both I declined the offer. Just saw this, not sure if anyone posted it before. Rick spells it out pretty well, IMO.

    • #36196
      rorygfan
      Participant

      and more aging rockers…

      ozzy osbourne
      steven tyler
      alice cooper
      peter criss
      carlos santana
      neal schon
      sammy hagar
      robin trower
      phil mogg
      ian gillan
      roger glover
      ian paice
      glenn tipton
      rudolf schenker
      klaus meine
      ritchie blackmore
      mick jones
      mick ralphs
      paul rodgers
      simon kirke
      brian may
      roger taylor
      tom scholz

      are all in their 70s.

      Got to see all of these guys in their peak years in my youth, how about you? Wow, I feel lucky thinking back. Saw RJD on vocals when he was w Sabbath too. Saw Freddy Mercury with them in 82’. Tipton I read has Parkinsons? I missed seeing them in S America on their last tour down here.

    • #36197
      superblonde
      Keymaster

      Metal peeps, history has been made!!

      Tool’s ‘Fear Inoculum’ Beats Out Taylor Swift, Hits No. 1 on Billboard 200

      I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! ♯ ♮ ♭ ø ° Δ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬
      And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

    • #36198
      rightonthemark
      Participant

      i’ve not seen a lot of these older rockers.
      ozzy (jake e lee era)
      peter criss (on reunion tour) – by the way…gene simmons in also 70.
      seems most of my concerts are giys in their 60s.
      last concert i went to was probably five years ago and it was michael schenker.

      rock and roll ain't pretty; that's why they picked us to play it.

    • #36205
      rorygfan
      Participant

      i’ve not seen a lot of these older rockers.
      ozzy (jake e lee era)
      peter criss (on reunion tour) – by the way…gene simmons in also 70.
      seems most of my concerts are giys in their 60s.
      last concert i went to was probably five years ago and it was michael schenker.

      I guess it was an age thing, since I was a teenager by early 70’s so like mentioned before here a number of times- got to see plenty. Saw Kiss every year of High School, First LP was Dressed to Kill, still my favorite next to Kiss Alive. I wore the grooves out of that vinyl double album- then when I was out of school- Kiss was no interest at all- I hated the “commercialism” sound of Destroyer that Bob Ezrin brought to it (Funny how many people state that is their favorite album or first Kiss Album), then Love Gun came out, then the 4 solo albums- no interest at all for me once they stepped into the commercial sounding stuff, I was onto other music by then.

      What’s strange is I always liked top 40 and hits- but for some reason the Kiss commercial stuff like “Beth” and “Detroit Rock City”- never was right to me. I am trying to think back about Destroyer probably I bought it blindly as they received little if any airplay time. So, it probably was one of those $4.24 buyers remorse purchases- where you could not hear the entire album and when you brought it home- only one song was good- the rest sucked. So much for the Album days. All these concerts were a huge anticipated event we planned all year it seemed when then came to play, every lunch hour talking about all the latest music, concerts, bands, songs, radio. Yeah. “Those days are gone forever, oh oh oh a long time ago-…. oh yeah”- Steely Dan.

      Last thing I saw was Roger Waters last November down in S America in a soccer stadium- and his entire show was all political, we had $100 each nosebleed seats I bought the day of the show since my roadie contact never came through for the freebies he promised. It was supposed to be a raining night, but was clear. The singers on “Great gig in the sky” couldn’t duplicate the high notes (Which excuse I was told was the altitude), the Guitarist like hiding and was under a covered canopy sitting down instead of standing to play Gilmours solo’s. When he copied them, they were not accurate, not accurate like Snowy White and some other hired replacement guys before I have seen who played. How can you not play “Comfortably numb”, as a “tribute” situation without it being note for note, inflection, nuance, detail, etc. However, the visual effects were great since I haven’t been to the states in 11 years now for any of the large screen video stuff and technology. If anyone is interested I can upload some photos.

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      • #36211
        rightonthemark
        Participant

        well i graduated high school in 1986.
        i’m 51 years old.
        i didn’t really get into kiss until they became somewhat commercial.
        although, i have always loved the first three records.
        kiss; hotter than hell; and dressed to kill (probably my fave of those first three). pretty sure my parents and sisters got tired of hearing anything for my baby.
        but i liked the next three albums too.
        destroyer; rock and roll over; love gun (with love gun definitely my fave of those three). an eddie kramer produced record. i stole your love one of my all time faves. then side four of alive two gave me one of my faves – larger than life (even tho it’s bob kulick on lead guitar). then of course the solo records; especially ace’s. and by the time dynasty and unmasked came out they had fallen out of favor. rough patch thru the elder and killers. until the resurgence for me with creatures of the night. but by that time they had become a new band with a totally different sound. they became and 80s glam metal band; which i liked. right up until carnival of souls. that is not a good record. the they tried recreate the past with psycho circus and kept trying to dig into the past with sonic boom and monster – all of which fell short. they each had an okay song or two. kiss is a band that should have retired after the reunion tour. they would have retired as legends and not the joke they’ve become. they recovered from joke status before after they dabbled in disco and a concept album but not likely this time. but they will always be my first love as far as becoming a fan of rock music and wanting to be a musician – first an unsuccessful attempt at drums and eventually becoming a guitarist. that all started with kiss.

        rock and roll ain't pretty; that's why they picked us to play it.

    • #36242
      rorygfan
      Participant

      How computers have been misused..

    • #36243
      rorygfan
      Participant

      well i graduated high school in 1986.
      i’m 51 years old.
      i didn’t really get into kiss until they became somewhat commercial.
      although, i have always loved the first three records.
      kiss; hotter than hell; and dressed to kill (probably my fave of those first three). pretty sure my parents and sisters got tired of hearing anything for my baby.
      but i liked the next three albums too.
      destroyer; rock and roll over; love gun (with love gun definitely my fave of those three). an eddie kramer produced record. i stole your love one of my all time faves. then side four of alive two gave me one of my faves – larger than life (even tho it’s bob kulick on lead guitar). then of course the solo records; especially ace’s. and by the time dynasty and unmasked came out they had fallen out of favor. rough patch thru the elder and killers. until the resurgence for me with creatures of the night. but by that time they had become a new band with a totally different sound. they became and 80s glam metal band; which i liked. right up until carnival of souls. that is not a good record. the they tried recreate the past with psycho circus and kept trying to dig into the past with sonic boom and monster – all of which fell short. they each had an okay song or two. kiss is a band that should have retired after the reunion tour. they would have retired as legends and not the joke they’ve become. they recovered from joke status before after they dabbled in disco and a concept album but not likely this time. but they will always be my first love as far as becoming a fan of rock music and wanting to be a musician – first an unsuccessful attempt at drums and eventually becoming a guitarist. that all started with kiss.

      Myself included Kiss was partially why I started bass. Well, at least Kiss got you excited, motivated, you took action and started playing after listened at that young age. If it were not for a friend who I still keep in contact with from High School, I would probably not started out as he helped me get the equipment, introduced me to other musicians, etc. A decade ago, I sort of “repaid” him, as he struggles with money and gave him my Schecter Guitar and Roland recording unit with effects, just because I could. Great guy, friends like that for 40+ years.

      I spent a few days last week listening to the latest stuff on my cable/radio. It’s so boring I cannot even tap my foot to it, it’s the same nothingness music, over produced. So damn sad. I am much older, and couldn’t name an album past Rock N Roll over without googling it. All that matters if you enjoy it.

      I think if Gene remained silent, their joke status maybe might have been reduced. Especially “Family Jewels” that TV program really I thought was quite stupid, especially for his reputation. How much money and fame does one person need? The ego can be a terrible thing. I do see Kiss’s point of not recording any more if it costs you money or you’ve run out of ideas (But they have plenty of money), but also disagree that when you are a their level of financial success because if you love making music- you don’t need to get paid for sharing it or doing it. (Gene Simmons “Rock is Dead” and no more recording is what started this now 4 thread discussion as you know a couple years ago).

      Look at various people of wealth and fame/public recognition say like Warren Buffet, he could stop and retire but he loves what he does. Same with some Politicians. Or actors doing charity work. It’s almost selfish not to do something like produce music, or mentor or do something to keep the flame burning in your art or profession- especially when you have a brand name that is recognized.

      I wonder what Bezo’s wife is going to do with the largest divorce settlement in history.

    • #36249
      superblonde
      Keymaster


      In Conversation With Jimmy Page | Artist Signature Series | Fender
      137,075 views •Published on Aug 4, 2019

      Jimmy Page shares the story behind his legendary 1959 Telecaster, which began life in its factory White Blonde lacquer finish, then became the “mirror guitar” before transforming into a one-of-a-kind, hand-painted dragon Tele.

      I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! ♯ ♮ ♭ ø ° Δ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬
      And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

    • #36251
      rightonthemark
      Participant

      lost eddie money earlier this past week.

      now another 70+ year old rocker down.

      https://pagesix.com/2019/09/15/the-cars-frontman-ric-ocasek-found-dead-in-manhattan-townhouse/?utm_source=url_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site+buttons&utm_campaign=site+buttons

      rock and roll ain't pretty; that's why they picked us to play it.

    • #36273
      superblonde
      Keymaster

      I learn a lot from my older rock heroes.

      Rod Stewart has revealed he was diagnosed with prostate cancer two years ago, and has now been given the all-clear, following treatment.

      Speaking at a fundraising event for the Prostate Project charity, he said: “Two years ago I was ­diagnosed with prostate cancer. I’m in the clear now, simply because I caught it early … I’ve worked for two years and I’ve just been happy, and the good Lord looked after me.”

      gonna keep eating my high fiber diet and trying to stay healthy.

      A lot of metalheads love The Cars. Ocasek was an amazing songwriter.

      Ric Ocasek, who with Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductees the Cars pioneered — or even defined — the new wave genre and released arguably one of the most perfect debut albums of all time … at age 75. … a statement posted on the Cars’ Twitter page, which appears to have been written by Ocasek’s wife Paulina Porizkova, says he died in his sleep after undergoing surgery.

      I am sure a lot of cover bands will be playing tributes.

      I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! ♯ ♮ ♭ ø ° Δ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬
      And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

    • #36334
      JC225
      Participant

      ZZ Top is coming to the Wing’s Event center here in Kalamazoo in October and I will be taking my seven year old son to see them. My son loves Billy Gibbons and I thought it would great for him to get to them live since (and I’m only guessing) he may be one of the few seven year olds that even know who they are, LOL! I think it’s pretty cool that he is so young but is really into one of the pioneers. Billy is about to hit 70, Dusty and Frank are already 70 and this is their 50th anniversary tour! As so many of you have pointed out, you don’t know how much longer it’s going to last. You don’t know how much longer the little ol’ band from Texas is going to be able to keep it up.

      • This reply was modified 4 years, 6 months ago by JC225.
      • #36336
        rightonthemark
        Participant

        visiting that little shack outside la grange keeps them young. 😎

        rock and roll ain't pretty; that's why they picked us to play it.

    • #36370
      superblonde
      Keymaster

      Get well Hetfield!

      The following statement has been issued by Lars Ulrich, Kirk Hamett and Rob Trujillo on Metallica’s website:

      We are truly sorry to inform our fans and friends that we must postpone our upcoming tour of Australia and New Zealand.

      As most of you probably know, our brother James has been struggling with addiction on and off for many years. He has now, unfortunately, had to re-enter a treatment program to work on his recovery again.

      We fully intend to make our way to your part of the world as soon as health and schedule permit. We’ll let you know as soon as we can. Once again, we are devastated that we have inconvenienced so many of you, especially our most loyal fans who often travel great distances to experience our shows. We appreciate your understanding and support for James and, as always, thank you for being a part of our Metallica family.

      All tickets purchased to the shows in Australia and New Zealand, including Enhanced Experiences and Black Tickets, will be fully refunded. More details on how to obtain your refund are below.

      I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! ♯ ♮ ♭ ø ° Δ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬
      And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

    • #36436
      Byron
      Participant

      Ginger Baker

    • #36437
      rorygfan
      Participant

    • #36442
      rorygfan
      Participant

      Btw: “Beware of Mr Baker” is entertaining documentary made while he was living in some sort of exhile In Africa as I recall. He was a grouchy old man. Not your typical documentary.

    • #36506
      rorygfan
      Participant

      RIP Barrie Masters- British lead singer for Eddie and the Hot Rods, only 63.
      Probably unknown to most, I recall seeing them at the Whisky in December 77.
      Their first tour to the US. This was during the beginning of the LA Punk scene,
      Pretty cool they have exact dates on setlist.fm.

      https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-essex-49906646

    • #37087
      vinay
      Participant

      Not sure whether there was an intention to keep this topic updated, but obviously most are aware that Neal Peart left us recently. Richard Brunelle also died by the end of last year so even though he was no longer playing in Morbid Angel it sure was a blow.

      As for the claim of rock being dead, it has never been true. Floor Jansen just won the “popprijs”, a pretty major award for an artist or band who has made a big contribution to Dutch music. Rock, rap, singer/songwriter kind of artists, all kinds of musicians have won this price. So this year it is a metal vocalist. She has performed vocals for After Forever, currently performs with Nightwish and she’s done a good number of guest performances. Also with her ex-bandmates from After Forever in Mayan and Epica. So yeah, metal artists are still getting the respect they deserve.

    • #37088
      Dave Pickering
      Participant

      Floor Jansen just won the “popprijs”, a pretty major award for an artist or band who has made a big contribution to Dutch music. Rock, rap, singer/songwriter kind of artists, all kinds of musicians have won this price. So this year it is a metal vocalist. She has performed vocals for After Forever, currently performs with Nightwish and she’s done a good number of guest performances.

      I’ve been a fan of Floor Jansen since her days with After Forever. I was absolute gobsmacked when I learned she was only in her teens when she joined the band–her voice sounds incredibly mature. I saw Nightwish a couple of years ago on their US tour for “Endless Forms Most Beautiful” and Floor was incredible–her voice was terrific and she just commanded the stage (up until then, I had no idea she was so tall). The supporting acts were Delain and Sonata Arctica and they were terrific as well especially Sonata Arctica guitarist Elias Viljanen who really brought the shred.

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      My biggest fear is when I die, my wife will sell my guitars for what I told her they cost.

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      • #37098
        vinay
        Participant

        Yeah, it is funny. Back in the days I wasn’t quite interested in these operatic vocals. I had seen Within Temptation in their early days on a festival and even though the band seemed incredibly friendly on stage I just couldn’t get myself to buy a cd. It wasn’t quite my style at the time. Anyway, the house I lived in at the time one girl had a boyfriend Luuk who played bass in After Forever. He was quite proficient on the guitar too but as I wasn’t really listening to their music I just recall him as a really friendly guy. They were quite successful too, playing big stages and festivals (Pinkpop is quite big too), doing tours in South America. They would actually get to play in a big mainstream live TV show when only a few hours before that a politician got shot nearby so the whole program went overboard. Eventually Mark Jansen left the band left the band to form Epica but I still wasn’t paying attention. It was only after their “The Quantum Enigma” album was released and got major airplay that it got me excited. They still started quite young though. Vocalist Simone Simons still was only eighteen at the time of their debut. Not sure what it is like over there but I think over here Epica is quite successful. Which also implies that they may not be able to get away with anything. Which is why Mark Jansen eventually formed Mayan, to go all out and create the kind of music that wouldn’t fit on an Epica album. I love what they’re doing. Some Epica, some After Forever musicians. People from Colombia, Germany, Belgium, Italy… It is fun to try to detangle how all these Dutch metal musicians link one way or another. It seems like everyone is or was in a band with someone who is or was in one of the other bands. Through Mayan I learned about their guitar player Merel Bechtold and through her about bands like Purest of Pain and Delain. I think Delain isn’t quite for me but it turned out it didn’t work for her either. She’s currently working on a new band called Dear Mother. They just wrote all the music and recorded a demo but as they want to do everything themselves and not be tied to a certain contract, they now have to find a way to fund that.

        I think that is a huge thing that changes the industry and what also changes the music that’s being recorded and published. Back in the days it were the big record companies who would be taking chances. They’d invest in several bands in exchange for their “loyalty”. That is, if your band is one of the few that turns out to be successful then they’re not going to let you go. This model actually benefitted those artists who shaped rock’n’roll. Those who could create music, could go all out on stage but who weren’t organized enough to make ends meet, let alone leave their hotel room in a proper state. As it is now, streaming services only use your music if you already have a product. They’re not going to invest up front the way record companies used to do. The alternative we have now of course is crowd funding. But the crowd doesn’t take chances the way record companies used to do. You only invest if you’re pretty sure that you’re going to receive your product. A band can’t spend half the money on drugs, then fire the producer because they can’t pay him anymore. Basically, crowd funding wouldn’t have helped Megadeth. Instead, those who do thrive on crowdfunding are those who are organized and who can present themselves as such. And at the other end of the line, this “crowd” that does the funding aren’t the broke kids of yore either. So yeah, that’s kind of shift the whole scene from where it has been, isn’t it? Both bands and audience are older, wiser, organized and aware that there actually is a tomorrow (with responsibilities).

        I wonder how this works out. Digital recording equipment and decent instruments got cheaper, you no longer need tot invest in print to get the word out and it doesn’t take much to distribute a demo and land a gig.

    • #37090
      superblonde
      Keymaster

      Hetfield may be back as well

      Back in September, Metallica frontman James Hetfield entered rehab for issues with alcohol addiction and now he’s scheduled his first public appearance since then.

      Hetfield will be showing up to the Reclaimed Rust: The James Hetfield Collection opening night at the Petersen Automotive Museum in Los Angeles on January 30.

      I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! ♯ ♮ ♭ ø ° Δ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬
      And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

    • #37091
      Copperhead
      Participant

      Not sure of his age, but Mark Knopfler should be added to the list.

      Besides ZZ Top’s 50th anniversary tour, I heard the Doobie Brothers are doing one, but I don’t think many of the originals are still with them.

    • #37103
      rorygfan
      Participant

      My GF just told me the Spice Girls are back from the pop graveyard. Rather see and hear them live than over the hill DLR, Vince Neil, or Axel Rose.

    • #37105
      superblonde
      Keymaster

      😧

      Nashville folk singer died of an apparent heart attack aged 71 during a performance at a Florida music festival

      Respected American singer-songwriter David Olney said sorry to fans before he died during a performance in Florida. The 71-year-old was mid-song when he “stopped, apologised and shut his eyes”, said musician Amy Rigby, who was performing alongside him at the 30A Songwriters festival in Santa Rosa Beach.

      Rigby said: “He was very still, sitting upright with his guitar on, wearing the coolest hat and a beautiful rust suede jacket … I want the picture to be as graceful and dignified as it was, because it at first looked as if he was just taking a moment.”

      I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! ♯ ♮ ♭ ø ° Δ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬
      And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

    • #37154
      vinay
      Participant

      Just learned that former Cynic and Death drummer Sean Reinert died last Friday at the age of 48. Absolutely bummed, he was a great drummer.

    • #37155
      superblonde
      Keymaster

      Ozzy

      now amazingly I see there are some new ozzy shows listed on ticketmaster, one for this coming week, way down in south so. cal, it’s strange that these shows are not listed anywhere else, I dont know whether to get tix to go, or not. 🧐

      I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! ♯ ♮ ♭ ø ° Δ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬
      And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

    • #37160
      superblonde
      Keymaster

      Lessons from our music heroes. On my todo list is to get myself an audiogram and do them regularly.

      Huey Lewis says his battle with Ménière’s disease has left him unable to sing and perform, and it’s likely that the upcoming album from Huey Lewis & The News, Weather, will be his final recordings.

      Ménière’s disease is an inner ear disorder that can result in vertigo, tinnitus, and ear pressure. Lewis was diagnosed with the disease in April 2018 after losing most of his hearing during a concert in Dallas.

      “I went on stage and it was horrible,” Lewis recounts in a new interview with CBS Sunday Morning set to air this weekend. “It was just unbelievable. Couldn’t hear a thing. Sang out of tune. Had the worst night of my life.”

      I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! ♯ ♮ ♭ ø ° Δ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬
      And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

    • #39598
      rorygfan
      Participant

      Earlier in this thread I mentioned 1975 Kiss Alive. So it came up in suggested videos, no idea what I was looking for but that wasn’t it. So, I went and listened to Kiss Alive from vinyl someone posted you youtube. I never bought it on cd but wore on my vinyl as a kid. Therefore, as I think now – here it is at least 40 years since I actually listened to most of again. It was such a magical experience listening *before* as a naive kid who knew nothing much about recording, overdubs and how session people were brought in, tricks to fix stuff, etc. I believed it was a true live album, like Humble Pie Rockin the Fillmore, Frampton Comes Alive, Rory’s Stagestruck, Welcome Back my friends-ELP, Who Live at Leeds, One more for the road- kimks, etc.
      I always loved live Albums, and still do.

      But unlike so many other favorite LP’s this Kiss one sounded fake as I started closely paying attention to the mix and details. Something as a kid I no idea they piped in audience noise and closely it sounds inauthentic, nobody yells out song names, no firecrackers, etc. It had that photo of Cobo Hall on the album too. So according to some interviews I just looked at, they admit they made so many mistakes running around on stage during their live shows that the tapes were virtually useless, and like that Eddie Kramer and all of them went back into NYC and overdubbed the entire album! They did a great job of faking it for a selling it and as a kid, you knew nothing different. Now it feels like I got scammed. Haha. The audience noises if you listen seem generic, and get mixed and inserted in before and after like it was a sit-com.

      I was into other stuff by 76 and learning bass so it was a phase. I still like some of the songs on the album as the first 3 were the only ones that interested me. I know many people liked Destroyer, but it wasn’t for me. I never listened again or sought out actually any of their other umpteen future albums as the “I was made for loving you” disco phase seemed so much of a sell-out.

      • #39600
        rightonthemark
        Participant

        according to eddie kramer only peter criss’ drums and vocals are live.
        funny how gene and paul have criticized peter over the years.
        in different interviews kramer has made slightly different statements about ace’s parts. one that all guitars were replaced and one that most of ace’s guitar work remained except where the guitar was out of tune.
        but note that with eddie kramer’s experience with the band led him to work with ace on the solo record and not with the others speaks volumes. and the fact that gene and paul always find criticism for ace. but one of the greatest recording engineers/producers preferred to work with ace over gene and paul.
        kiss will always be my first musical love.
        just wish they would have called it quits after the reunion tour.

        rock and roll ain't pretty; that's why they picked us to play it.

    • #39603
      rorygfan
      Participant

      THanks ROTM, I haven’t read many articles just a couple but was shocked mostly listening myself. There seems to be no microphone bleed, sounds like a studio album with audience noise. Like Motley Crue, once you make a final tour, to go out again for a cash grab afterwards shows no integrity. I think the Eagles did that also.

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