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    • #38220
      PaulWolfe
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      Alright, I’ve got my Scarlett Solo so I can plug my guitar into my laptop… I’ve got Cakewalk installed and I purchased Amplitube 4. I’ve (kind of) managed to use Amplitube to hear my guitar through a Marshall but for the life of me I can’t figure out how to use Amplitube in conjunction with Cakewalk to do recording. I’ve got the Joey Kramer drum loop pack and found some loops to play to but I need instruction on how to put all the software pieces together so I can get my ideas on tape, as it were.

      Thanks in advance for any and all help!

    • #38221
      rightonthemark
      Participant

      hope this helps.

      rock and roll ain't pretty; that's why they picked us to play it.

    • #38223
      PaulWolfe
      Participant

      Thank you, that helps.

      We got a puppy this weekend which took up all my time today but after work tomorrow I’ll follow the steps and see if I can’t get it going

    • #38224
      superblonde
      Keymaster

      I find the biggest headache with a DAW is the “red light problem” i.e. hitting record then starting to play but messing up then having to stop record and redo, repeat, redo, repeat…. each time taking hands off the guitar to reach for the keyboard. So I gave up on that and just record everything and never stop recording or playing. I either do a loop recording that makes a new take each time or I just let the record run on into infinity. What allows me to do this and not eat up all my hard drive space is that I record in a compressed format, not WAV. Either mp3, or Reaper support told me to use Ogg which has better quality with smaller files plus faster disk indexing. Eventually I should go back and delete all the unused guitar recording fluff to keep only good takes, but it’s not a necessity to save hard drive storage. (If I even ever had good takes, lol)

      I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! ♯ ♮ ♭ ø ° Δ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬
      And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

    • #38243
      PaulWolfe
      Participant

      SB, I like that idea of just hitting record and playing… it’s been 10 days since I posted this and I’ve barely touched my guitar in that time. The puppy takes time and beyond that I just feel tired all the time these days. I’m keeping all these ideas in mind while recording is on the back burner.

    • #38244
      rorygfan
      Participant

      SB, I like that idea of just hitting record and playing… it’s been 10 days since I posted this and I’ve barely touched my guitar in that time. The puppy takes time and beyond that I just feel tired all the time these days. I’m keeping all these ideas in mind while recording is on the back burner.

      Paul, I get the issues you mention. You don’t need multitrack if you are getting stuck and frustrated. Try audacity with your interface and a nice tone sent direct from your amp to start. Use an external metronome and record your playing in segments. If you want to do overdubs, do those. Forget the midi, and tone and drum plug in madness for now.

      I have been into computing since DOS in early 80’s and software designs have had many bugs and never been good for simple music imo. To compete, Software has in many cases been ruined by “feature creep”, like Windows Office Word, etc. Unlike Most phone apps are quite nice, as they have little screen real estate to work with, so are forced to be simple for anyone to use. Going way back in time, I found most of this expensive recording software to have way too many features, complexity and simply not fun at all to use, except for Acid and it was purchased by Magix in Germany and I dunno, it too has been somewhat bloated. I decided not to use the latest version on windows 10 though it still is somewhat fun, but more complex than the early versions. You cut and paste loops, no timing issues like all the other software. I have invested many hours on Mbox-ProTools, Cakewalk, Cubase, a couple years ago Reaper and just found operating them was distracting from playing guitar with them all. Garage Band I had more fun with than the Pro software!

      Take it slow and step by step. Get the guitar plug ins to work. Maybe try garage band if you have an apple sitting around. Create some loops in Audacity, then paste them in your recording software at the same BPM as your drum loops.

    • #38253
      PaulWolfe
      Participant

      Paul, I get the issues you mention. You don’t need multitrack if you are getting stuck and frustrated…

      Take it slow and step by step. Get the guitar plug ins to work. Maybe try garage band if you have an apple sitting around. Create some loops in Audacity, then paste them in your recording software at the same BPM as your drum loops.

      Thank you, this is helpful advice.

      Frustrated is an understatement today. I made time to work on this today and started by plugging into the computer and loading Amplitube 4. I can hear my guitar through the Focusrite interface and headphones but Amplitube isn’t affecting the signal at all. I look for B-A-S-I-C tutorials and come up with guys who use all kinds of jargon or go to fast or assume you’re already up and running.

      I’m ready to go to Goodwill and buy and old cassette recorder and just set that on top of my amp.

      Even a course you have to pay for would be fine, I just want to be able to play with this stuff and get some sounds out of it.

    • #38254
      superblonde
      Keymaster

      Hm, perhaps you are not using the Focusrite’s monitoring settings properly. Maybe it is set for zero-latency monitoring, so the headphones get the immediate signal from the interface’s input. i.e. You hear whatever is on input 1, as a hardware routed signal, and that means ‘clean guitar’. What you want is for the Focusrite monitoring channel (i.e. your headphones) to play the mix from the DAW. Focusrite has a GUI where you change the monitoring channel mix (it is not a setting possible to do in the DAW). Maybe this doesn’t apply to your particular Focusrite, but on mine (18i8), I had to make sure to set the monitoring channel correctly, to “monitor mix”, aka: “monitor sound from DAW” and not “Monitor direct channel”.

      The reason for doing it one way or another way is because the round-trip time for the guitar tone to go from interface, to DAW, back to interface, to the headphones, will add a small amount of latency (usually not detectable anyways). Some perfectionists want to hear the guitar with zero-delay, so, they want the monitoring channel to be hardware-routed (i.e. not go to DAW, and back again, at all), even if that means listening to the clean guitar.

      I was really confused by this until I figured it out.

      The troubleshooting step is that if you record the guitar in the DAW (with amplitude supposedly on) even if only hearing clean guitar, and then play it back in the DAW, with the result being you hear the distorted-amp guitar, then it’s probably the monitoring setting.

      I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! ♯ ♮ ♭ ø ° Δ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬
      And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

    • #38256
      rorygfan
      Participant

      Thank you, this is helpful advice.

      Frustrated is an understatement today. I made time to work on this today and started by plugging into the computer and loading Amplitube 4. I can hear my guitar through the Focusrite interface and headphones but Amplitube isn’t affecting the signal at all. I look for B-A-S-I-C tutorials and come up with guys who use all kinds of jargon or go to fast or assume you’re already up and running.

      I’m ready to go to Goodwill and buy and old cassette recorder and just set that on top of my amp.

      Even a course you have to pay for would be fine, I just want to be able to play with this stuff and get some sounds out of it.

      Look at Fiverr or Udemy maybe there might be someone who can give help or lessons?

      What sounds like is a signal routing issue if you can hear unmodified guitar on headphones, but not into amplitube. I assume while it is loaded you need to select the USB source and within Amplitube select the input source (your USB1 or 2, etc?) and signal output monitor to see if it reaches to your speakers or headphone jack on the computer.

      i started in 97 or 8 with a Roland Edirol interface. It had all sorts of Roland guitar sounds built it as part of the driver software. It was without any support and no forums, new people were into this other than pro’s. I had many issues with it, and actually posted a guide and started a webpage just for it. It was cheap for the time yet I was never was able to get it to overdub without mixing the previous signal with more than one track in Cakewalk or Acid. I hated that. Later bought Pro tools, and really hated using it. It cost a ton of money and I actually left it in the states. In between that I paid a consultant to teach me Cubase, hours and hours and all the gotchas with it were disgusting. I messed with Ableton also, and it was somewhat fun but didnt behave well with my loops and it had too many features and menus.

      Do you have an Apple device? Garage band has sounds which are nice built into it or some VST package, but with the MOTU older interface it too is intermittent.

      I was tempted to download a virtual sound package like Amplitube but decided to stick with finding my old Korg multi effects box instead. I rather use hardware sounds, except the original POD, didnt like the sounds so I gave it away. My point of all this after investing countless hours, I know where you are coming from. You need to first determine signal routing. So get Audacity installed and test record with the raw funky lain guitar sound first, that or the line output from your amplifier into the interface. Audacity has input and output routing.

    • #38265
      rightonthemark
      Participant

      i really want to help you get going Paul.
      i had trouble in the beginning.
      but once i got it going i can’t imagine playing without being able to record on a whim as i’m always plugged into the computer.
      the problem for me is i use reaper. i have cakewalk but have only messed with it a little bit.
      if you wanted to go with reaper between myself; superblonde and others we could have you up and running in no time.
      however, if you want to stick with cakewalk i did hear from Doug that he is currently working on a recording lesson for guitarists using cakewalk. so that’s something to look forward to.
      in the meantime i will see about messing with cakewalk on my days off and see what i can figure out.
      but please don’t give up.
      all this technology has a learning curve.
      but once you get it on track you will love the convenience to record and review your playing. and the ability to quickly put down creative ideas.
      by the way…are you on a windows machine or a mac?

      rock and roll ain't pretty; that's why they picked us to play it.

    • #38266
      PaulWolfe
      Participant

      Thank you so much for all the help.

      Yesterday was frustration city for many reasons and recording my playing, in retrospect, was just not that big a deal.

      To answer the question, I’m running Windows 10… part of my frustration yesterday was that a couple of weeks ago I was plugged in and could hear everything fine. Didn’t record because I was just checking out the different sound possibilities.

      I assumed that the next time I plugged in I could simply start where I left off but that wasn’t the case. Microsoft has a habit of doing big ‘updates’ constantly and my laptop was in update mode for a couple hours yesterday morning. Don’t know if that had an effect on it or not.

      So step one is to set up a permanent location for my gear – regardless of what the wife says 😉. So I don’t have to unplug the interface all the time. Then I’ll work on the signal path. I’ve got a notebook at the ready to make notes so my memory won’t add to the confusion each time.

      Sincerely everyone, thank you, I very much appreciate your knowledge and experience and, especially, your help.

    • #38268
      PaulWolfe
      Participant

      I’ll also look into Reaper… I had chosen Cakewalk at Doug’s suggestion.

    • #38269
      superblonde
      Keymaster

      you can run an interface on a usb hub, if that helps. it wont hurt audio quality at all. for example you can get an active-usb-extension-cable. then locate the setup further away like on a shelf or something and not be limited to short usb cable length.

      I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! ♯ ♮ ♭ ø ° Δ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬
      And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

    • #38270
      rorygfan
      Participant

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    • #38272
      rightonthemark
      Participant

      the nice thing about cakewalk is that it’s a solid full daw.
      and it’s free.
      it has some good quality plugins builtin.
      even some good rock guitar amp sounds.
      i used it way back when it was sonar and owned by roland. but i only ever had a limited version that came with my first interface. this new cakewalk is very different.
      the thing about reaper is that it has a 60 day free trial. and the amateur license is only $60. but note the free trial, the amateur license and the pro license are all the exact same full daw. with reaper you have full customizing control. but it comes with very little builtin. no amp sims or channel strip. but to me a basic setup and record is pretty easy. plus with reaper there are tons of tutorials and an online forum community.
      i will dig into cakewalk this evening and tomorrow night and report back what i find.

      rock and roll ain't pretty; that's why they picked us to play it.

    • #38273
      rightonthemark
      Participant

      my wife and i have our own laptops.
      i have a cabinet in our office where i keep my recording setup at the ready.
      so in the late evenings on my days off (i’m a third shift worker with sunday night and monday night off) i can play until wee hours of the morning without disturbing my wife. i can easily pull up a song on youtube to play with. or look up a tab if needed. and use backing tracks. all there at my fingertips and just a few clicks away. yet it’s easily hidden away. today it’s more hidden than usual because the son is coming over with his cat. i already have teeth marks on one of my cables from that little booger (from the cat; not my son 😎).
      anyhoo…just noting how i stay ready to play and record for convenience.

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    • #38278
      rorygfan
      Participant

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    • #38280
      PaulWolfe
      Participant

      i have a cabinet in our office where i keep my recording setup at the ready.
      so in the late evenings on my days off (i’m a third shift worker with sunday night and monday night off) i can play until wee hours of the morning without disturbing my wife. i can easily pull up a song on youtube to play with. or look up a tab if needed. and use backing tracks. all there at my fingertips and just a few clicks away. yet it’s easily hidden away.

      I like that setup… I used to have a similar cabinet for my wife’s work from home setup before moving to a house with a 7×7 walk-in closet to use as her office.

    • #38281
      rightonthemark
      Participant

      hopefully you can see what i did as i was recording the screen as i opened cakewalk and set up a guitar track and dragged and dropped a backing track in to record guitar with. then i exported the audio. no special fx were used. no mastering. just the th3 guitar amp sim built in cakewalk. i found a preset i liked and used that. when i inserted the audio tracks i simply right clicked in that area to get the drop down menu. i clicked on the fx+ to open the plugin browser. one thing i did was turn off the metronome click up toward the top where the record button is. remember before you hit record make sure the record button is armed/engaged on the track you plan to record.
      if this isn’t exactly clear just let me know and i will add audio talking thru what i did step by step.

      rock and roll ain't pretty; that's why they picked us to play it.

    • #38283
      rorygfan
      Participant

      Glad you asked the question, since I was interested in vst stuff myself and digging into it educated me not to go any further. So after reviewing the amplitube forum I decided against it for my own use due to various reasons.

      IK have a nice forum. The FAQ is easy to follow, so it should help you. They even mention removing preinstalled “bloatware” disabling sound, stopping background applications. Enjoy, hope that it gets installed ok so you can start having fun.

      this Faq has decent instructions for optimizing Amplitube for Windows 10. They mentioned at bottom incompatibility with certain updates.

      https://www.ikmultimedia.com/faq/?id=1277

      There is a time limit of 180 days for downloading sounds.

      “Is there a time limit on how long I have to download my Virtual Instrument libraries?
      Yes. You have 180 days time to download the sounds from your User Area > My Products > (product name) > Sounds Downloads, in your User Area on http://www.ikmultimedia.com. The time limit begins from the moment you register the included serial number. We do suggest to backup your sounds, as once your 180 days expire, download access can only be regained by purchasing a Sounds Reactivation Credit in the IK Multimedia Store.

      The Sounds Reactivation Credit will reactivate the sounds download access for another 180 days time.”

      FAQ ID: 867

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    • #38288
      bdickens
      Participant

      Since you’re using Cakewalk, I would highly recommend going to their forum. https://discuss.cakewalk.com/

      Generally friendly, helpful and very accommodating to newbies.

      People there can probably explain things much better than I can; I tend to grasp things like this in a very intuitively kinesthetic manner.

      Don’t be afraid of the learning curve. Once the pieces start falling in place, going deeper gets a whole lot easier as you go on. And DEFINITELY don’t go jumping from software to software trying to find the magic app or you’ll never get it.

      Byron Dickens

    • #38289
      rightonthemark
      Participant

      i decided to do another video.
      this time filmed with my phone so i could talk thru what was going on rather than watching a silent video and still not know what’s happening.
      hopefully this is a little more clear.
      get this basic recording going then we can figure out how to get amplitube going with the process too.
      also this assumes you’re already plugged in via a usb audio interface.
      and if you hear snoring in the background…that’s my wife in the next room.

      rock and roll ain't pretty; that's why they picked us to play it.

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