HomeForumsGuitar InstructorsVery basic question for Will about practicing long hours

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  • #19868

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    (edit to clarify- I’m not asking what’s theoretically best, it’s about your previous real day to day thing)
    Practical question about long practice sessions.. back when you were practicing 10-12 hrs a day- I assume to be, repetitive practice on a particular scale or solo or etc – did you :
    – stand to play for most of this time (to which I imagine, you moved around a bit while playing), or
    – sit to play, and if sitting did you:
    – stay in the same position whatever it happened to be for all these hours (classical guitar between legs, or slouchy, or what), or,
    – did you shift around to different guitar positions, or,
    – get up to stretch your legs, etc.
    – did you try to keep good back posture or not really pay attention to this at all etc.

    When I was attempting the “speed kills 1k per day” exercise (sitting mainly), my legs would fall asleep after an hour or so. Also another thing, if I do repetitive bend practice (like 1+ hrs), I seem to do much better standing, something about the anatomy and mechanics. Also when practicing for a long time when standing I kind of pace around a bit. Modern GP6 practice with a computer might tend towards sitting and practicing, just an interesting difference (and a typical computer chair is not great for guitar playing)..

    This does bring up a side topic of “what’s a good chair.” Now since I dont remember anyone mentioning this before I guess maybe these marathon sessions might be a bit more rare than desired 😀 Uh, if I mention having a sore bum from sitting in one spot so long while playing guitar, does that make me sound old? LOL But actually, picking a good chair is a good topic 😛

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #19872

    rorygfan
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    This does bring up a side topic of “what’s a good chair.”

    Hope you find an answer to that and post it, I find most comfortable office chairs with wheels have those arm rests, and the secretary one’s  do not and are less comfortable.

  • #19881

    safetyblitz
    Participant

    This does bring up a side topic of “what’s a good chair.”

    Hope you find an answer to that and post it, I find most comfortable office chairs with wheels have those arm rests, and the secretary one’s do not and are less comfortable.

    Lol, I’m the opposite. Office chairs with arm rests annoy the hell out of me. To each their own. 😀

  • #19892

    Igglepud
    Participant

    I prefer a good stool.

    MY ROCK IS FIERCE!!!

  • #19895

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    ha, see, sounds silly talking about chair choices, but you know, playing repetitive drills for many hrs straight with only short breaks, kinda brings this up as a point 😛 Standing does get tiring after a while even tho standing is best because that’s the angle everything will ultimately be played at.. I can say that beach style lounge chairs are not so good after a few hours (did that in the summer), too much slouching and craning the neck .. Everybody has different anatomy so there’s probably many styles of chair, tho what helped with the sore bum is getting a 2″ foam cushion. Somewhere in the basic course videos, Doug mentions the small foot step that he puts under his foot when playing in the videos.. lift the right leg up just a little bit, sure helps a lot. Not sure why I didnt think of that before seeing it, but, that’s why Doug is the man. I’ve tried playing in chairs with arms and I just tend to keep fighting the arms, never get comfortable with them being there. But different chairs have different size and lengths of arms too, for a long time I used a dinner chair with sloping arms as a computer chair and would sit in it for 10 hrs a day no prob- just enough arm length to rest the elbow sometimes. Different ergonomics playing guitar, chair arms always seem to be in the way.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #19917

    Will Flaherty
    Moderator

    I’d say 95% of it was sitting and the location varied. My bed, the couch, other times the recliner. Always classical position. I used to always lean over the guitar, but have since broken that habit. I recommend either a low back support or just making sure you’re sitting up straight.

    These days, it’s almost always sitting in a computer chair. Mine has arms, but I sit in classical position and sit on the front of the chair. My previous chair I didn’t put the arms on it, but I let my students use that one. Nobody else can seem to adjust to a chair with arms, while its no big deal for me.

  • #19923

    vinay
    Participant

    Coming from the classical guitar, I learned to play sitting (with the guitar on the “neck side leg”, which you call the classical posture). But as I had to play from score and/or watch a conductor, I learned to not look at my guitar or fingers but look up and ahead. I think looking down is unhealthy and doesn’t look cool either (which matters if you’re going to perform at some point). With the electric guitar I prefer to stand up and play. Of course the neck is much longer and, in my case, the guitar has more strings as well. So of course it easier to get lost and you may need to peek. Even then I think it is better to practice in front of a (big) mirror so that you can still stand tall instead of tuck. Of course you’re going to have to look down every now and then (especially if you’re performing hence are without a mirror) but as it hasn’t become your standard posture, you’ll only look down when you really have to. But especially back when I was only playing the classical guitar and rarely looked down, looking down when playing fast made me stumble over my fingers. I wanted to see how fast they were going but simply couldn’t play when looking at them! Same goes for typing on a typewriter or computer keyboard. If I watch my fingers when typing fast, I stumble. But I digress. I just recommend to learn to stand up and play (as metal is supposed to be played) and don’t watch yourself by default. Another advantage of not watching yourself is that you can play in the dark. Somehow playing in the dark, just like listening music in the dark, feels much more intense.

    When I sit playing (the classical guitar), I prefer a simple chair without wheels or armrests. I don’t lean against the backrest so it doesn’t matter if it is there or not. I was surprised indeed to see Kurt Cobain play the MTV Unplugged session on an office chair. When it rotates and/or rolls a little, I twist my back to compensate and everything feels off. You see, people are so different that you’d better just try some variations and see what’s best for you. You might be a typical blues player who prefers to lean his back and one foot against a wall. But when you find yourself on your knees playing your burning guitar with your teeth, you know it is time to stop.

  • #19928

    MotleyCrue81
    Participant

    I just use a short swivel bar stool with the circular seat and no back. Works fine for me. 🙂

    Bring hair metal back!

  • #19950

    mshadow
    Participant

    Good to hear that other people are using the “classical” style.  I used to play with the guitar sitting horizontal on my right leg and hunched over the guitar.  I tried stools, couches, taking the arm off my office chair, etc.  Also had a heavy Les Paul when I started. Combine bad posture and a heavy guitar and I had upper back pain all the time.  I never saw any “rock guitars” doing the classical style until I stumbled onto some Rusty Cooley videos.

    Switched to a lighter guitar (Ibanez JS1200) and a Strat and playing in classical position and I have had less problems.  I have also tried the footstool trick as well as sometimes using a Dynarette (http://www.vamu.se) which helps prop up the guitar for long sessions.

     

  • #19952

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Thanks Will.

    Its good to see everyone’s preferences too. I’m not hip to chairs with wheels either. Swivel bar stool seems like a great idea even for near a computer because then it’s easy to get back to or turn away from the keyboard for stuff like GP6 play-along. Maybe simply get a bar stool, cut the legs off to a desired height for hitting floor pedals too. I was also playing for a while on a canvas sun chair (no arms), that was pretty great on the bum comfort, but it died and I havent found a new one without arms. if I go busk somewhere in a spot for 4 hrs, I can definitely say, sitting cross-legged on concrete is not a comfortable way to go at all.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #19956

    MotleyCrue81
    Participant

    Thanks Will.
    Maybe simply get a bar stool, cut the legs off to a desired height for hitting floor pedals too.

    I have a 24″ bar stool, 24″ and the 30″ are the typical heights. I know what you mean though, I wish it were only about 20″ high, then my feel could be flat on the floor and my right leg would be level so my guitar wouldn’t slid down my leg. My right foot normall has a foam block under it.

    Bring hair metal back!

  • #20809

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    monoprice to the rescue?

    Foot Rest for Guitarists
    Product # 603800
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    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

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