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  • #2485

    grondak
    Participant

    I just got the revised Speed and Accuracy lessons and put them in my Practice Session Planner as #2.  I watched the first half of the video and see there is/was a self-challenge.  It says play the first three patterns without errors and see what happens over a month. Also, I think Doug means for us to play from the wrist to succeed.

    I played the first three exercises the first time at:

    1 – 55 bpm

    2 – 50 bpm

    3 – 60 bpm

    I played 1 at 60bpm today too , the others didn’t improve.

    I’ll finish this challenge. 🙂  I’m trying to think of my $100 challenge prize to myself.  Hint: I won’t get a metronome. LOL!

    I forgot to check my MAB potential picking speed.  I’ll note that tomorrow.

     

    Join me! Let’s see if together we can get 25-100% better than before! Speed and Accuracy Self-Challenge for our own wins!

     

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  • #2488

    metalj
    Participant

    What are the rules? I could do 10-20 minutes a day. Are you using the guitar pro files?

    Jay aka the letter J

  • #2495

    Doug Marks
    Keymaster

    Almost a year again, in early January, we had the Speed and Accuracy Challenge.  I gave away a guitar to the person that improved the most over 30 days. So, it was crazy. Here’s a link to the contest on the old Forum: http://bb-metalmethod.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=19108&hilit=challenge

    Many of the videos are still in place. Since there was only one “ultimate” winner, several contestants deleted their videos. It was really fun and exciting for the whole month.  It would be great if we could get some interest here for another contest.  Good luck with your personal challenge! It’s amazing what can be accomplished in a short period of time.

    Metal Method Guitar Instructor

  • #2515

    hard rock pet
    Participant

    Grondak and Jay, how are you going with the speed and accuracy challenge?  Count me in, I will start today.

  • #2516

    metalj
    Participant

    I just started today. Doing good. Did you guys see this “the interview” movie controversy? Pretty funny because i had no interest in the movie and i feel confident it will suck but now i want to see it because it’s banned. Anyway good luck on the challenge and i will post my bmp here when it gets a little higher.

    Jay aka the letter J

  • #2517

    grondak
    Participant

    Here’s my day 3 insight:

    1. All picking speeds up by about 5 BPM.

    2. This results are 100% possible. Here’s what I found. Doug mentions there is a feeling to the correct picking, and the two degrees of freedom on the pick. That was invaluable to me because I used that information to vary my pick attack angles and pick depth. I  definitely felt the picking change and definitely improved my speed at that moment. My tremolo picking speed “max” jumped by about 2x and maybe more.  I then was able to move my fretting fingers around in the 3 basic patterns and astounded myself.  “Wow, did I just play like that?” Then I took a break for a few secs to get my metronome up to a nice speed for measurement and bragging rights and sadly lost that loving feeling. I tried for the next ten minutes to get the pick angle/depth right again but was falling asleep because I practiced close to bedtime as Doug suggested.  It is a very tight zone. I will try again tonight.  For a few minutes, I knew what it is like to play fast.

    3. I have GP on my iPad and it doesn’t have the speed tools like regular GP does.  I just use a metronome.

    4. I am starting each triplet on the quarter note and just moving the metronome speed up until I can’t get it together and keep it together. Falling behind or mis-picks are my most common mistakes, and I can “catch up” with the quarter notes if I pick like the wind sometimes.

    I can shoot some video some time. Doug says 80bpm is slow. I’ll get to slow (or find the zone again) and video what slow is just for us.

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  • #2518

    hard rock pet
    Participant

    Hi Jay,  I live in Australia. what is ” the interview” movie controversy over?  I will have my work cut out for me with the challenge, and post my bpm on here too when it gets a bit higher. Wanted to ask if you had bought Sarah’s new Metal Riffs course?  I have just been working on stage four in my lessons and wondered if it might be too hard for me to do?? have watched the promos, and it looks excellent.!!!!  I still do my  1, 2, and 3 stages each day for practice also when time permits.

  • #2519

    hard rock pet
    Participant

    Jay, I just looked online about the ” interview movie” , . Yes isn’t it strange when you are banned from watching something, how much you want to see it.!!!

  • #2523

    metalj
    Participant

    I was doing exercise 1 around 100bmp. I kept switching the pattern down an octave then down another octave which made it more entertaining but harder. I am going to do exercise 2 tomorrow and see what happens. I didn’t get sarah’s new revision but i have the old version. I have dan mumm’s new dvd and it’s pretty cool and i’m looking foward to mpc2. Good luck guys.

    Jay aka the letter J

  • #2525

    hard rock pet
    Participant

    Thanks Jay.  Keep practising. good luck with it all.

     

  • #2538

    grondak
    Participant

    I’m almost up to slow speed! 75bpm! LOL 😉

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  • #2546

    hard rock pet
    Participant

    That’s the way, Grondak. Keep at it.! Yep, I have plenty of work to do too.!!

  • #2575

    grondak
    Participant

    I hit 80.  It is really fast. I can’t wait to get to 120.  I can play faster than 80 but with errors.  When I play at 80, I am about as “clean” as I was when I started at ~50.  I know it will improve even more!

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  • #2576

    grondak
    Participant

    Wow I just watched some of the old videos.  I’m not even in the same class yet! Over 200 bpm? I watched their fingers on the strings. Look how far I have to go… keep’n on pluggin’

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  • #2577

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    I am also tracking S&A progress again also just when you started too.  I’ll post the graph of my progress later.  Let me make a brief comment about dedication ;-D  This cool blonde invited me over yesterday eve, “after” she had just eaten dinner.  Pretty much wanted to zoom right over there, ha.  I made sure to do the nightly speed & accuracy first.  I have hit a similar speed bottleneck as my last attempt so I don’t want to skip a day, because I want to break thru the bottleneck.  So, although I got to her place a little bit later, when she opened the door I saw she had a bunch of candles lit.  Yay!  So at least there was no bottleneck there 😀

     

    I suggest getting the full GP6 to use the speed trainer feature.  It really is the best thing since sliced bread in my opinion.  Get better faster so it’s worth the (relatively low) price.    Alternatively at least look around to see if there is a software metronome you can use which will do a progressively-increasing-speed practice (start tempo, end tempo, step increase).  There is a free one I found (at least for mac) called Presto Metronome, it has a speed trainer feature.  See the attached screenshot I just made of it’s trainer setting panel.

     

     

     

     

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

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  • #2579

    metalj
    Participant

    I haven’t tried the speed trainer yet.

    Jay aka the letter J

  • #2592

    tradle
    Participant

    I’d like to join the challenge; I’ve been doing the S&A program rather inconsistently due to travel for work; but I’ll be home for a good chunk now (I think) so my participation should be consistent.  I’ll start posting updates on my progress regularly.

    The Speed Trainer is great for both warm up and pushing yourself.  On my version, if you click in the musical frame and hit F9, it opens.  On the first four exercises, I’m up to 100 bpm.  On Ex5, I’m topped out at 95.

    Is there a particular exercise that you are using for a benchmark for the challenge?  And – when does the challenge close?

     

  • #2593

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    The self-challenge closes when you can beat MAB!  ;-D

    Here’s my progress graphs to date, hopefully these might be interesting to someone else.  The important line is the green one, the daily max clean tempo.  Also this past week, as can be seen, the green line has dipped because for whatever reason my max daily speed wasn’t as fast as before (maybe just being tired since I really did these runs late at night).  Today’s run was quite high because, maybe, I started in the morning, with a lot of energy, and, today I am playing while standing up (vs sitting down).    Either way, I think my left hand speed has outpaced my right hand speed so my bottleneck is now picking fast enough.

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    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #2595

    hard rock pet
    Participant

    I am using Guitar Pro, to get my speed up. finding its a really good tool.

  • #2596

    hard rock pet
    Participant

    The graphs are great Superblonde. I myself, like to practice in the morning. I have more energy then.

  • #2626

    grondak
    Participant

    Hi tradle, welcome!

    We’re just using exercises 1-3.  That’s what Doug suggested is the challenge in the video for Speed and Accuracy.  Lots of people are supporting each other. Your initial go at 100 is really awesome! Stay up with us. We started a week and a day ago.

    How are you doing, hard rock pet?

    As for myself, I saw shades of 120 today.  I took some advice from both Doug and Superblonde and picked way past my normal clean picking speed. I started to get the feel of 120 in terms of how fast my fingers on both hands have to move. I made a lot of motions and then tried to synchronize them for a shot at 120.  I made a lot of mistakes at 120, but I then played at 95 and held it on the beat enough to claim 95 for today for all three exercises.  I also practiced starting on the count dow, which is hard for me. I don’t have Guitar Pro on a computer next to where I’m playing so I can’t use the speed trainer.  I’ll try to fix that soon.  I have a metronome app on my i-device.

    I’m exhausted from a long practice session, lol. 🙂

     

    Metal Method is helping me across the board!

  • #2635

    metalj
    Participant

    120bpm is impressive! You’ve inspired me to play faster.

    Jay aka the letter J

  • #2676

    Dave Pickering
    Participant

    Almost a year again, in early January, we had the Speed and Accuracy Challenge. I gave away a guitar to the person that improved the most over 30 days. So, it was crazy. Here’s a link to the contest on the old Forum: http://bb-metalmethod.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=19108&hilit=challenge Many of the videos are still in place. Since there was only one “ultimate” winner, several contestants deleted their videos. It was really fun and exciting for the whole month. It would be great if we could get some interest here for another contest. Good luck with your personal challenge! It’s amazing what can be accomplished in a short period of time.

    FWIW, here are my initial and final entries for Exercise E (Exercise #6 in Speed and Accuracy 2).  I went from 110 BPM at the start to 160 BPM at the end.  The biggest change was in my picking hand (in the first video you can see I’m doing a lot of the “pencil thing” with my picking hand).  On my fretting hand, I had (and unfortunately still have) a tendency to let my thumb creep up over the top of the fretboard.  Hooking my thumb over the top of the fretboard is great for vibrato–my biggest influences were blues/rock players like Jeff Beck and Eric Clapton so I have a lot of vibrato in my playing.  However for shredding, I need to keep my thumb on the back of the neck.

    I’m now able to play Exercises 1 thru 3 between 170 and 175 BPM.

    My biggest fear is when I die, my wife will sell my guitars for what I told her they cost.

    • #2760

      Doug Marks
      Keymaster

      Dave, thanks for sharing that.  You definitely showed massive improvement over a very short period of time.  How about showing us what you can do now?

      Metal Method Guitar Instructor

  • #2679

    hard rock pet
    Participant

    Grondak, well done with your progress. that is awesome. I started on 70bpm and am almost at 100bpm. Hope everyone had a great Christmas. I went away for a couple of days to the beach, so , am back into it.!!  Keep it up. great stuff. !!!!

  • #2719

    metalj
    Participant

    Hey guys hows everybody doing? I was thinking we could switch to different exercises at some point. I pushed my limits and i think i’m going to have to relearn a few things.

    Jay aka the letter J

  • #2723

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    This coming week I am going to restart ex 11 or one of long runs.  I havent been very good at those even at slow bpm’s (very very slow tempo might be OK for a while but then I make a mistake). With consistent time invested I assume I should be able to get up to 90 bpm to match my current clean speed on ex 1,2,3.

     

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

    • #2724

      metalj
      Participant

      This video helped me along with cracking the code. Warning!! Vulgar jokes!!

      Cracking the code defines the picking which could be boiled down to a sequence in a scale played a certain way. He later says there are a few guide lines to keep in mind. But to start it all you must slant pick. But i didn’t know where to start exactly so i came up with a plan to do the scratches then turn on rocksmith until i could tremelo pick better then next revisit the exercises.

      Jay aka the letter J

  • #2757

    tradle
    Participant

    Sl0w progress, all – the holidays and what likely was a 24-hour flu kinda sacked me.  I’m up to 110 bpm for exercises 1 & 2 and 95 bpm for ex 3.

  • #2758

    grondak
    Participant

    I lost about a week going to my mom’s house for the holidays.  I kept picking speed up but lost about 20 in fingering. I found that if I practice for about 15 min and then try the challenges, I’ll hit my peak speed for the run.  Then I need to stop or my fingers get too tired. I could do 95 on ex 3 today but everything else was 85.  I also tried to make some videos last night. I need a lot of work! I could see my own faults.  I’ll get some stage presence (LOL ,see other thread ) and then get one uploaded.

     

    Keep going, friends!

    Metal Method is helping me across the board!

  • #2790

    grondak
    Participant

    Okay, I finally made a video. I played exercise 2 at 95 bpm. I played one bar too many of the lick, but 🙂 the important thing is I tried.

    I think there is a huge difference between 95 and 120. Or 80 and 95.  These are triplets… Yikes. All help requested. Slowing way down is an option!!

    Metal Method is helping me across the board!

  • #2843

    hard rock pet
    Participant

    Hi Grondak, I have lost time over the holiday period with visitors etc, so my practice was thrown out. I have gone back to a speed I am comfortable with, and am slowly working my way up again.

  • #2845

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    I practice exercise 11 at a whopping 40 BPM (but can go as fast as 70 BPM).  That is about as fast as I can go and get the entire run perfect five times in a row.  (Sometimes! Not always.)   Along the way near the octave I often flub a note.   It’s rather…. painful… to practice that slow.      I’ve spent many dozens of hours practicing ex 11.  At some point I assume it will come out perfect and just have to keep pouring more hours into it.

    The ex 1,2,3, I can do steadily at 110-120 BPM after a good warmup.

    I’ll post a video later.

    Also I wanted to mention that I set my metronome to a triplet tick.  Beyond 120 BPM though the triplet is so fast I think I’ll have to set it to quarter note tick.

     

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #2849

    grondak
    Participant

    Way to go getting back into it, hard rock pet! I hope we all see Dave’s 160bpm as inspiration. It sounds so good and it’s played so fluidly.

    Superblonde, 120bpm is my double-point.  At that point I win the self-challenge 🙂  I think I will get there. I can do 120 when off the metronome.  I know it’s that fast but when I put the metronome on or try to get a video, I slow down and flub up.  I am still practicing moving my fretboard fingers at the speeds for the tempos — no picking, just fret fingers flying.  I like your idea of practicing at the very fastest speed you can go without flubs.  I think that will help me get to where I’m going.  I think Doug mentioned speeding way up past our max “good” speed,  too. I’ll use a combination.  2x 15 minute sessions doesn’t seem to cut it.  I like practicing this!

    Is it just me, or are there some slower tempos that are harder than some faster tempos?  E.g.  Is 85 is harder than 90 for you like it is for me?  It feels as if 85 is off my natural tempo.

    Metal Method is helping me across the board!

  • #2853

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Well, let me add some context just on how I’m approaching my practice on this.  I practiced at 80-90 BPM yesterday for over 1.5 hr’s just on S&A (while the girlfriend was watching a movie.. so it was almost the same length as the movie, like almost 2 hrs).  I only try to hit a new max (110 or whatever) near the end of my practice.  I try not to practice with mistakes for a long time at top speed.  I will only try fast BPM’s for 20 attempts or something.  Even trying ridiculously high BPM’s for me, like 150.   My assumption is that making continual mistakes for a long period of time will embed the mistakes in muscle memory.  So I want to avoid repeatedly training the mistakes.

    I think that previously when S&A first came out, I was continually racing the GP6 speed trainer and staying at the top of the range even when making lots of mistakes.  I’m not sure that was the most productive way to approach “rapidly gaining accuracy”.   Then Will had to lay down the law 😀 and say that a new record only counts if you can do five runs in a row completely correct.   LOL  party crasher..

    So I think you could slow down to maintain 100% no-mistakes good form for 3 mins straight and still make great gains as long as there are short times when you really go for it to beat a previous speed record.  Kind of like lifting weights I suppose.

    Slanty pick.. like the video posted by metalj.. that’s my next obstacle..

     

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #2857

    PaulWolfe
    Participant

    Hey Grondak, I’m late getting to this thread, but I’ll start a 60-day self challenge starting today… I’m starting at 110 BPM to insure accuracy although I can play these at 120 BPM most of the time… it’s been a year and I’ve got a better guitar to work with this year 😉

     

  • #2860

    Doug Marks
    Keymaster

    I hope that you guys post an occasional video.  It would be fun to watch your progress.

    Metal Method Guitar Instructor

  • #2862

    PaulWolfe
    Participant

    I hope that you guys post an occasional video. It would be fun to watch your progress.

    In a few weeks I’ll post a video of my progress and re-post my final video from the contest last year… I’ve been playing exercises 6 & 7 for a year now, so I decided that for my self-challenge I’ll work on ALL of the exercises with a goal of getting them all to 160 BPM.

    This is actually a bit of a challenge because I’ve been working with these exercises as legato exercises for quite some time instead of using them for picking exercises.

    Should be fun.

  • #2866

    Doug Marks
    Keymaster

    Exercise 13 is the one that I want to see.  160 bpm will be extremely difficult for that one.  Glad to see that you’re on  board.

    Metal Method Guitar Instructor

    • #2883

      Dave Pickering
      Participant

      OK, I’m game. Here’s Exercise 13 at 140 BPM. I don’t know if I can get to 160 BPM but I definitely want to be able to play it at > 150 BPM.

      My biggest fear is when I die, my wife will sell my guitars for what I told her they cost.

    • #2890

      PaulWolfe
      Participant

      Excellent work Dave!

    • #2905

      Dave Pickering
      Participant

      Thanks Paul. It’s interesting seeing the change in my technique from the first video to this one. I changed my picking technique over the course of the original challenge after noticing I was doing what MAB calls the “pick flick” in my initial video.

      I’m pleased that I’m getting much better about not letting my thumb hook over the top of the fretboard (I was still doing it in the final video for the Challenge).

      I guess an old dog CAN learn new tricks 😉

      My biggest fear is when I die, my wife will sell my guitars for what I told her they cost.

  • #2867

    Doug Marks
    Keymaster

    Exercise 13 is the one that I want to see.  160 bpm will be extremely difficult for that one.  Glad to see that you’re on  board.

    Metal Method Guitar Instructor

  • #2874

    PaulWolfe
    Participant

    I’ll see what I can with that one in particular, Doug… you’re right, 160 will be quite a challenge for that one.

  • #2876

    metalj
    Participant

    Sorry to stray from the topic but doug could possibly offer a streaming service mabey as soon as 2015 (this year) so i invite you to speak your mind on the subject in this thread here:

    http://guitarlessonforum.com/forums/topic/metal-method-roku-channel

    On topic… I am doing good at slant picking with the pps exercise but i’m still a few days away from actually beating my flat picking speed but now after reading up on the subject i feel confident i am on the road to 120bpm.

    Jay aka the letter J

  • #2897

    Doug Marks
    Keymaster

    I wrote an article for today’s newsletter about ways to increase picking speed.  I also mentioned this personal challenge.  Check it out here: 8 Tips to Increase Picking Speed.  If you have anything to add to the article please comment below the article in the comments section.  Thanks.

    Metal Method Guitar Instructor

  • #2907

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    I would love to see a video that is looking “first person view” down the fretboard from above.  I spent quite a while today practicing at 25 BPM  (yes, painful!) to try to minimize my finger movement and get esp my pinky in better shape.  I’m gonna have to try harder to land two fingers at once, for example 3rd & 4th fingers at the same time on ex 1, or 2nd and 4th fingers on ex 2.   Because, my efforts don’t sound very clean at all.

     

     

     

     

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #2961

    Doug Marks
    Keymaster

    Hey, I got a GoPro for Christmas. Might be able to help you with that.

     

    Metal Method Guitar Instructor

  • #2967

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Cool!  I will post a video if you post a video  ;-D

    Here is my updated progress graph, still improving in terms of clean sound just not max clean tempo.

    superblonde speed and accuracy progress graph Jan 7 2015

    (or at least it should appear above, maybe the forum is not linking it properly, so here is a direct link below)

    http://biosx.com/media_2014/superblonde-speed-and-accuracy-ex1-20150107.png

     

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

    • #2992

      grondak
      Participant

      Superblonde– what do the four tempos mean?  I’ll track the same data.

      Metal Method is helping me across the board!

    • #3008

      superblonde
      Keymaster

      In my graph… which only represents what I’m doing, not any official way or anything..

      If I don’t practice S&A that day, I put zero BPM for that day, which is why the line has hit zero a couple times.

      the “Low tempo” is the lowest BPM that I practiced with, that day. If I used the GP6 speed trainer then it’s the slowest BPM indicated during the speed training.

      the “Hi tempo” is the highest BPM that I practiced with, that day. If I used the GP6 speed trainer then it’s the fastest BPM indicated during the speed training.

      the “Max Clean tempo” is the BPM that I feel is the fastest that I played cleanly, that day.

      the “Song Tempo” is the BPM of the GP6 exercise. So when using speed trainer, it might be 80% to 120% using this tempo as a basis. Over time, I bump up the song tempo on each exercise. So this line is another way to see how my baseline speed is improving.

      If I don’t use GP6 speed trainer (which is maybe half the time or more) then I just keep track of the speeds at which I am running the metronome. I like the metronome too because I can set it to a triplet beat, to make sure I am really playing with good timing.

      The BPM when using GP6 speed trainer is shown on bottom of GP6 window in it’s status bar. So I keep an eye on this while I am practicing with it, to get the Low, Hi, Max numbers.

      I am also occasionally tracking the number of minutes per day spent on each exercise but haven’t included it in the graph, I would like to add that on the secondary y-axis. Just because it might be neat to see those days when I spend ridiculous amounts of time, like 90+ minutes, on one of these.

      I was very happy the other day to hit a new set of max clean runs at 130 BPM. I have been changing the pick all around in different ways for a few weeks and at least that day I locked on to a way to get over the hump. … still can’t match this new speed all the time.. yet. It is very encouraging to have hit that zone though.

      I still want to post videos or even mp3 but it has been a bit hard for me to make proper recordings recently.

      Here, I will upload my spreadsheet, and you can copy the format if you like. I hate setting up excel-type graphing, it is so finicky to get what I want out of it. So maybe this could save you some time. But you will need Open Office or Libre Office to use it (both free downloads). It could be converted to excel so if anyone wants that then just ask. So far I haven’t wanted the hassle of using excel format because I only use Libre Office these days. It is an Open Document Spreadsheet “ods” file.

      I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
      And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

    • #3028

      grondak
      Participant

      Right on, thanks for the hints and the spreadsheet.

      I don’t mind Excel at all, so I’m happy to help out if people need it.

      Metal Method is helping me across the board!

  • #2971

    tradle
    Participant

    I feel like I’m full of excuses these days, but progress has been made despite a semi-serious car accident I was involved in on Monday.  I’m up to 120 bpm for exercises 1 & 2 and 100 bpm for exercise 3.  I don’t have an amp currently; as soon as y’all can hear me, I’ll start making vids for ya.  I truly find the vids that folks are posting to be so inspiring – hoping I can do the same.

  • #2991

    grondak
    Participant

    I’m still at it! I have been practicing diligently.  15 minutes is about the right time for me to hit my stride and do the best for that session. I can sense my tiredness because my max keeps going down when I get tired.  I definitely bested double my speed in less than a month.  Exercise 3 was at 120 today.  Some things I noticed: my rotten notes, especially those in my video,  are due to unsynchronized picking and fretting.  The pick occurs as the fret finger is on the string but not fully fretted, so the note is muted. I can repro this at will so I am sure.  I think I sound a lot better AND I am counting notes, 12 per repeat, to be sure I am not skipping any picking.

    I switched to exercise 13 yesterday to keep up with the forum.  At 60bpm, it’s over a minute long (it’s 20 bars)… I’m glad I can play it at 80. LOL! 🙂

    Also I am messing with playing as fast as my Max Tempo, (i.e. tremolo picking speed) and working on ways to make that higher, too. It was learning to sync with my max that let me get to 120. Thanks to MAB for the max hint!

    Metal Method is helping me across the board!

  • #3033

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    I am playing ex 13 at a whopping 40 BPM. I often flub it at the funky 12th fret half step part. The good news is that I should be able to double my speed after several weeks based on the results from others. If this were the stock market that would be an astronomical 3,200% annual return! 😀 I do ex 11 at about 70 BPM and if faster, botch it around the same frets. Also moving to the new positions are the slowest part right now.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #3035

    PaulWolfe
    Participant

    So far I’ve got all the exercises down at 130 consistently. The 12 fret change in #13 is tricky and that’s where I lose it when I lose it… It’s cold in the house today, which slows my fingers down as well, but I’m happy with my progress so far.

     

    To get used to #13 I like to play it ascending and descending in a loop while watching TV (okay, football).

  • #3037

    grondak
    Participant

    That 13 thing is tricky. Remember it by knowing you skip 13 on the 6 string.  That makes the patterns on 5 and 6 swap from measure to measure. I like to think that’s “why” it’s called exercise 13. 🙂 I’m still at 80 on that one.

    Do you fret 3-5-7 in the second measure with fingers 1 – 2- 4 or with 1 – 2 – 3, or even 1 – 2 \ (slide to) 2?  I’m trying 1 – 2 – 4 but that’s what’s tripping me up.  I also tend to employ 3 where 4 is indicated, but Doug said in the video that it didn’t matter. How about my fellow self-challengers?

    Metal Method is helping me across the board!

    • #3039

      Doug Marks
      Keymaster

      Do you fret 3-5-7 in the second measure with fingers 1 – 2- 4 or with 1 – 2 – 3, or even 1 – 2 \ (slide to) 2?

      Play it very slowly and look closely at your fretting hand finger movement.  I’ve found that 1-2-4 is the most natural movement for the size and structure of my hand.  When I use 1-3-4 the third finger moves slightly as I go for the 4th.  That’s no problem ascending but then your fingers our out of position descending.  This does depend on the structure of your hand.  My guess is, 1-2-4 is best for most people.  In the first version of Speed and Accuracy I used 1-3-4 and decided it wasn’t the most efficient use of my fingers.

      Metal Method Guitar Instructor

    • #3045

      PaulWolfe
      Participant

      I just picked up my guitar and played through it… I use 1-2-4… I never thought about it, I just played it. So I had to play it and actually look at my fingers, 1-2-4 is simply the natural way my fingers fall. I also notice that I play with my thumb over the neck for everything but the two whole steps, where I slide my thumb behind the neck just a tad.

       

      I’m going to have to video myself playing and watch my hand, I’m curious now.

  • #3038

    metalj
    Participant

    If we’re all doing 13 i’ll start now.

    Jay aka the letter J

  • #3040

    Doug Marks
    Keymaster

    I’ve attached an “alternate fingering” for Exercise 13 to this post.  I’m like everybody else, I sit around and play this stuff and over time notice more efficient ways to perform these.  I believe that this is the fastest, most efficient fingering for this exercise. It’s not the “right way” or the “incorrect way” it’s simply the “most efficient way” to minimize fretting hand finger movement.

    As you play this Exercise using this fingering notice how consistent the first and second finger movement is compared to occasionally using the third finger in place of the second finger.  Just play it very slowly and watch your fretting hand.  You’ll see.  Notice on the second string each phrase begins with the first then the second finger.  This consistency is necessary for maximum speed.

    You don’t need to play it like this.  It’s just an alternate fingering to consider.

    Metal Method Guitar Instructor

  • #3061

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    I broke all kinds of speed records for myself today while spending hours trying to get my video set up.   Ex 13 at 80 BPM now.  Definitely all the work from Ex 1,2,3 and the painfully slow practice on Ex 11 has spilled over into Ex 13.   Last week I was playing Ex 13 at maybe 30 BPM so almost getting 90 BPM today was cool.   Videos currently rendering..   My fingers are all over the place.   I am starting to wonder when that “efficient finger movement” is going to kick in.  Especially my 1st finger. Due to some habit, I always pick it up between notes.  To go fast I assume it needs to be kept fretted on the E & B strings during the run in each position.

    Here’s my video at 40 BPM (warning, may cause drowsiness)   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GK-o4Q-_KWQ

    and second one at 50 BPM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm1Sounw4Pk

    next one at 60 BPM I surprised myself that I could do it  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s5JvSSb6zA

    so then I tried 70 BPM and played it OK at least a couple times https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhxFFV6HL84

    which means I had to try 80 BPM and finally felt I was getting somewhere  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY-ud4ZVX3M

    then was super happy to try 90 BPM and after several tries, got close to okay on it

    Soon I will try the new alternate fingering style.

    Has anyone practiced these on an acoustic guitar?

     

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #3108

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    I’ve slacked the past couple days by not practicing S&A due to girlfriend-distraction.  She will saddle up next to me and whisper, “You don’t really want to practice guitar, do you?”  …    High quality problem I know.   Although I showed her that my new fretboard hand finger strength is excellent for tickling especially using the 1-3-4 pattern, so there’s that.

    I think I’ll slow down my S&A practice tempo’s to work on minimal finger movement for a while.

    Dave Pickering, I was wondering if for your next video, you could do close-up on your fretting hand?

     

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #3111

    grondak
    Participant

    Agree about E&B string on finger 1: leave it down.  Practice like that a few times through and it will stick like glue after that.

    I’m learning to rewire how my fingers go under the neck.  I have been supporting the neck with the fat palm of my hand and yet still pulling the neck towards me like Doug said in Stage 1.  Okay, sounds good.  You set up your Ask MAB Anything thread, so I was watching him play today. As I watched MAB play today, then Sarah, then Doug, then you… I’m convinced I have to adopt the hand position under and away from the neck and also pull the neck with my fingertips.  No supporting under the neck for me.  I noticed Dee J plays that way, too.

    So hand positioning round 1, today, was like going back to basics: lots of positioning problems and reversion to supporting the neck. My fingers missed a lot of notes. Started off very slow. Round 2, tomorrow, will be better. Slower, slower, slower.  However, at the end of the session I tried Exercise 13 from the with the new hand position and my speed was back to decent by then.

    I noticed Speed Kills 1 has a heavy intro on tremolo picking, so that’s something else I played with… and found that in the new position, I could move my fretboard fingers a little faster and I was practicing moving the fretboard fingers at tremolo speed. I could hear it happening sometimes, and my practice of counting the notes in a lick is helping to tell when I’m “off.”  I’ll slow down my tremolo picking and get the sync right, as Doug suggested in his 9 tips for picking faster, and then come back in the Shred Position!

    Thanks for all your help, team!

    Metal Method is helping me across the board!

  • #3143

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    I’m convinced I have to adopt the hand position under and away from the neck and also pull the neck with my fingertips. No supporting under the neck for me.

    Yes, use a super tight guitar strap to lift the guitar so it is just barely resting on your leg.  Also check out Will’s shred videos for the “classical guitar sitting style”  (guitar over the opposite leg, neck way up in the air) which is used by neoclassical-shred players.

     

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #3169

    Dave Pickering
    Participant

    I’ve slacked the past couple days by not practicing S&A due to girlfriend-distraction. She will saddle up next to me and whisper, “You don’t really want to practice guitar, do you?” … High quality problem I know. Although I showed her that my new fretboard hand finger strength is excellent for tickling especially using the 1-3-4 pattern, so there’s that. I think I’ll slow down my S&A practice tempo’s to work on minimal finger movement for a while. Dave Pickering, I was wondering if for your next video, you could do close-up on your fretting hand?

    I’ll try and do something this weekend.

    General progress report: I’m now able to play Ex. 13 consistently at 145 BPM (up 5 BPM from my initial post).  Today I was able to play it at 150 BPM but could only play it cleanly 1 or 2 times.

    I’ve noticed there’s a law of diminishing returns on these exercises (had to use that Econ 101 jargon somewhere).  Over the 30 days of the original challenge, I increased my speed on Exercises 6 and 7 by 50 and 40 BPM respectively (initially played both at 110 BPM; at conclusion of the challenge I was able to play Exercise 6 at 160 BPM and Exercise 7 at 150 BPM).  I haven’t practiced the exercises with as much intensity as I did during the challenge however I’ve continued to practice all of the Speed and Accuracy exercises a couple of times per week.  Since the end of the challenge I’ve only been able to increase the tempo on the challenge exercises by a few BPM (Ex. 6 at 163 BPM and Ex. 7 at 157 BPM).

    My biggest fear is when I die, my wife will sell my guitars for what I told her they cost.

  • #3270

    Dave Pickering
    Participant

    Progress report.  I’m now able to play Exercise 13 at 150 BPM.  Per superblonde’s request, here’s a video with focus on my fretting hand.

    My biggest fear is when I die, my wife will sell my guitars for what I told her they cost.

    • #3272

      PaulWolfe
      Participant

      Excellent work, Dave.

  • #3273

    metalj
    Participant

    Can you do a video of you playing along to the guitar pro file with guitar pro playing the guitar part? Like this:

    Jay aka the letter J

  • #3383

    grondak
    Participant

    Who’s still with me? I’m going the full 90 days. I’m slowing down to improve my finger lift coordination (getting finger fully off the string before picking the next note) and string noise control. It’s one of those “stop bad habits” times.

    Metal Method is helping me across the board!

    • #3431

      PaulWolfe
      Participant

      I’m still with ya… Speed & Accuracy and Stage 5 are keeping me busy.

  • #3405

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    I have also slowed down to work on finger movement (Ex 1,2,3 at 90 BPM) and have missed some more days.  I might have to leave a guitar at the girlfriend’s place to stay consistent!  Not really tracking progress via my spreadsheet for the past week because I just set my metronome and S&A as a warmup.  Probably next week I will try racing myself again and maybe if it works the same as last time, I will have improved in the background.

    Also I am thinking to apply the same S&A type drilling and progress charting to the stage 4 solo parts, which could be fun to measure.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #3578

    grondak
    Participant

    Slowing down has really helped. My tone is better and my synchronization is better. I’m learning to mute strings that start to vibrate due to slight mis-picking and my picking failures are going down, too. Dave: thank you for your video. I borrowed your rhythm and used it to drive my “max” for the day up. I tried to match what you played. Though I didn’t get to quite the same speed,  I felt inspired and hopeful. Play along with Dave really worked!

    Metal Method is helping me across the board!

    • #3633

      Dave Pickering
      Participant

      I’m glad that my video helped. You should make videos of yourself–even if you don’t post them, you’ll find it’s a great way to spot things in your playing that can be improved. In the original Speed and Accuracy Challenge I was able to increase my speed on the two exercises by over 40 BPM in 30 days (others did even better–including a certain Mr. Wolfe who became the proud owner of a new Dean guitar a year ago 😉 ). A big part of my improvement was due to correcting problems in my technique that showed up on the videos.

      You don’t need expensive equipment–for my videos I use a Logitech C525 webcam and a Blue Snowball USB microphone. They cost me around $100 US total on Amazon.

      My biggest fear is when I die, my wife will sell my guitars for what I told her they cost.

  • #3589

    Doug Marks
    Keymaster

    Everybody still hanging in there? It’s getting a little silent. Good news. You’ve found that point. The hump. This is the place that you must move beyond. Double down, don’t give up. This is the place that I describe in my newsletter as “where it gets really good.”

    Metal Method Guitar Instructor

  • #3616

    PaulWolfe
    Participant

    I’m still plugging away… I’ve got exercise 13 to 150 BPM… every time I get frustrated with my Stage 5 tremolo picking I go back to this exercise and my confidence pops right back. Eventually I’d like to try this exercise with tremolo picking, but that’s a ways off.

  • #3653

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Yea thanks for the video Dave P. What I was interested to see is if you are lifting your index finger or holding it down for each riff. You’re lifting it, like I am. I think this has got to be slower so I am working on trying to hold it down, reversing my habit. Also I have been working on placing all my active fingers down at once at the start of each new string, rather than one-finger-at-a-time. I noticed you are doing both I think – sometimes all your fingers go down at once and sometimes only the finger that is fretting is down. Either way your hand movement is still much more efficient than mine right now.

    I have been trying the alternate fingering. It is going to take a while to get used to but it feels like it should be better for reaching faster speeds.

    Also for Ex 1 & 2, I have modified these by adding notes on the last bar, to purposely keep my idle finger “ready and hovering” instead of “flying”. I’ll have to post a tab of what I mean. This seems to help because somehow my muscles know that the idle finger will be used “soon” so it stays close to the neck instead of going flying or curling up into a little ball. Strange but it seems to work.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #3762

    grondak
    Participant

    Superblonde: I’m using only the alternate 1-2-4 fingering. It’s smoother by the mile Doug wanted it to be and it helps build pinky strength.  I play ex 1,2,3 continuously (back-t0-back) so my fingers always have someplace to go afterwards, as in:

    1-2-4 switch strings 1-2 (tremolo 4) 2-1 switch strings 4-2 (tremolo 1) 2-4 etc etc.

    I am experimenting with trying to achieve “tremolo synchronization.” I figure if my tremolo picking speed is my “MAB Max,” I’ll should get my 1-2-4 fingers moving that fast and in sync. I got it for about 5 minutes at the end of my practice session last night.  I couldn’t quit smiling.  For 5 minutes, I was shredding and took no prisoners! Trying again tonight.  Then I’ll work on switching strings as fast as I can tremolo pick (really. Let’s see how that goes, Tony!) and then work on shifting positions that fast, too.

    Dave: I got a clip to hold my phone to my music stand. I video’d my self last night and will do that a lot just to check my own practices. I’m working on a better video to upload to the site.  I’m not up to 120 perfectly on ex 13 but I have played with errors at 140. I feel confident I can get to 140 without errors. That’s nearly triple my December speed.

    Metal Method is helping me across the board!

  • #3988

    Dave Pickering
    Participant

    I’m still plugging away–I’ve been trying to practice all 13 exercises daily for 2-3 minutes each. I was surprised to find that I can now play Exercises 1-3 at 180 BPM (a tempo I considered unattainable for me a year ago).

    I played Exercise 13 at 160 BPM last night–but I’m not yet at the point where I can play it consistently at that tempo.

    My biggest fear is when I die, my wife will sell my guitars for what I told her they cost.

  • #4004

    grondak
    Participant

    Dave– inspired by your 180, I was sharing your video and GP6 playing at 140, 160, 200, 240 with my GF.  She is really supportive– a musician herself, she is helping with my theory. She supports my practice time because she knows it is necessary. 🙂  Later, she called me as I was ending my practice runs and I kept it going for her to show her my maximum speed. I had been pressing exercises 1-3 pretty hard and she said, “Was that you or the computer? Come on, tell me! It sounded really clean and pure and fast.”  I got to grin.  I think I am over my hump and can get things going Up, Up, Up again.

    Metal Method is helping me across the board!

  • #4062

    tradle
    Participant

    It’s been way too long since I have posted – but man the progress among the bunch is amazing.  I’m currently sitting at 115 bpm cleanly (5 repetitions, no mistakes or blips) for EX 1 & 2, 100 bpm for EX 3 and 95 bpm for EX 13.  I’m finally at a point where I’m doing as Doug suggested and playing the S&A stuff for 15 minutes at a clip a couple few times a day.  That is working nicely.  I am also in the process of creating a Superblonde-inspired spreadsheet to chart progress.

  • #5190

    Mark
    Participant

    Is anyone still doing this?

    I got sent over from Grondak in my post here –

    http://guitarlessonforum.com/forums/topic/picking-direction-for-speed-and-accuracy#anchor

    I tested my speed yesterday just to get a baseline.

    Exercise 1 thru 6 @ 145 bpm

    Exercise 7 @ 125

    Exercise 8 @ 130

     

    These were all done with strict, alternate picking, which is my albatross.

    If I bump up any faster, I switch from strict alternate picking, to economy picking, which is a habit I’m doing my damndest to BREAK.  Hopefully these exercises will help.

     

  • #5209

    grondak
    Participant

    Hi Mark. Look above in the messages– Doug posted an “alternate fingering for exercise 13.”  that’s the one we’re focused on.  Your speeds are awesome! I’m barely able to keep up with you but I’m way more than double my original speed. Be prepared to get much faster, sir!

    Metal Method is helping me across the board!

  • #5265

    Mark
    Participant

    Thanks Grondak!  I feel like they should be better considering how long I’ve been playing, but quite honestly, I’ve never ‘focused’ on speed enough to make vast improvements.

    Checked out Exercise 13, although I didn’t use the alternate fingering.  I’d call my ‘consistent and clean’ speed on that one 130 bmp.   I can run at 135 with 75% consistency, and 140 if I push.

    So I’ll call it 130 with confidence.

    I’m sure that will improve quickly as I ingrain the pattern in to memory.

    I have to say that even in just a few days of practice, my strict alternate picking is getting more solid.  I don’t feel myself ‘shifting’ into economy picking quite so frequently.  Although I definitely had to SLOW IT DOWN to do so.

  • #5325

    TommyZ
    Participant

    Just ordered the speed and accuracy dvd yeah I know I’m old school 🙂  But I’ve been working with the two free videos of the greatest lesson ever and the linear em lick fo 2 days at 1/2 hr a day about 80bpm to 84bpm.Hoping to join in soon on all the fun.I need work on fast alternate picking So hence the dvd.Cool that everyone here is motivating everyone else.Great work all of you.I’d love a contest for a free guitar Sheesh that’s one lucky and deserving MM student!

    "The level of achievement that we have at anything is a reflection of how well we're able to focus on it " Steve Vai

  • #5328

    grondak
    Participant

    I moved around enough stuff to establish a practice space. Now it’s junk piled higher and deeper but it sounds like guitar in my house. I was having trouble with 120 until I remembered my tremolo picking exercises– so I finished with 120 easily. Whew! Nice to be back at the guitar after nearly three weeks…

    Metal Method is helping me across the board!

  • #5376

    TommyZ
    Participant

    Up to 96 bpm on exercises 1-5 of greatest lesson ever and Ex8 and 9 Linear Em licks cannot wait for the speed and accuracy dvd to arrive!!

    "The level of achievement that we have at anything is a reflection of how well we're able to focus on it " Steve Vai

  • #5401

    grondak
    Participant

    Again, Dave, thanks for the idea of video-ing myself. I watched my movements very closely.

    I found some extra finger movement: on note 6 of the 12 note licks, I am lifting my 2 finger. I am replacing it just in time for note 8.  This sometimes make note 7 sour and probably costs me a tiny bit of time per sequence (1/10 s, roughly 7bpm at 130bpm).  I slowed way down and ground that behavior out of my movement (mostly! heh) and will work back up to 130.  Things sound so much better than my 95bpm video!

     

    Metal Method is helping me across the board!

  • #5403

    TommyZ
    Participant

    Now 112 bpm dvd shipped today should be here soon!!

    "The level of achievement that we have at anything is a reflection of how well we're able to focus on it " Steve Vai

  • #5617

    grondak
    Participant

    Let’s see. This is much better than my 95. It’s “around 120..” I was chasing the metronome in this video cut from one of my “video myself” sessions.  Wanted to share to let you know I’m still alive, even in my hot attic. Heh.

    Metal Method is helping me across the board!

  • #5623

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Check out your angle-y fingers too – maybe from thumb over the neck and not at the 2/3 spot behind the neck. I think the fingers should be perpendicular to the neck. It’s the main way to really gain fast + clean sound I believe. Like the classical-music guitar players. Doug has some great advice on this if you get a talk with him.

    I’m still working on the alternate fingering version here and there but kinda fell off the daily practice bandwagon (or is it, fell on the wagon? Hmm, on, or off, the wagon? I dunno). I’ll start daily again the first week of April. The alternate fingering was really hard to pick up.. reprogram the nervous system..

    By the way,

    BUCKETHEAD, YOU MUST BE OUT THERE SOMEWHERE! Please Post your S&A video!

    hah, think that will work? That sure would be cool.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #5624

    grondak
    Participant

    Superblonde, thanks for the comments! Well I don’t have excuses, so thanks for pointing out my fingers and thumb. I don’t normally play like that so I’m trying to figure out what happened there. It might be how I’m holding the guitar. You left me a note to practice like a classical guitarist and I try to seat my guitar like that most of the time. I’ll watch myself for the thumb position. Hopefully that problem disappears when I seat the guitar correctly… Holy smokes! 🙂

    G

    Metal Method is helping me across the board!

  • #5638

    Dave Pickering
    Participant

    This is a video Will Flaherty posted in the original Speed and Accuracy Challenge thread on the old forum site.  He plays the two exercises from the original challenge (Exercises 6 & 7) at 60 BPM and then burns through some licks based on the exercises at 255 BPM.  Since Will has such great technique, I watch this one frequently as a “reference”.  Note that his picking and fretting hand technique remain the same whether he’s playing slowly or at full shred speed.

    He added the following comment in a follow-up post:

    It’s ok to push past your limits some of the time. It can break you out of a rut. However, 98% of your time should be spent practicing at a speed you don’t make mistakes. Otherwise, the mistakes become ingrained and get worse as you go faster. Very hard to get rid of a mistake once you reach that point.

    My biggest fear is when I die, my wife will sell my guitars for what I told her they cost.

    • #5671

      Doug Marks
      Keymaster

      Will! That’s killer. I don’t think that I have seen this before!  Awesome.

      Metal Method Guitar Instructor

    • #5678

      Will Flaherty
      Moderator

      I forgot all about this video! It’s on my personal YouTube channel, instead of my main one. I mainly made it for my students and others to have a reference.

    • #5751

      superblonde
      Keymaster

      Just after finishing that 255 bpm exercise, Will’s amp caught fire due to the speed of Will’s playing and his camera melted into a puddle. He was going to go for 256 bpm but his 8-bit metronome maxed out at 255. Will’s 16-bit metronome could go higher than 255 but it saw the 8-bit metronome suffering through this blistering beat and it refused to tick at all. The original metronome has since been seen wandering the forests of a nearby state park in a daze, likely driven half insane. As of this date, all metronomes refuse to tick for Will for fear of their lives.

      After this filming, Chuck Norris contacted Will to join in a road trip to the crossroads, both with guitars, to challenge the devil. The devil, who knew better, wisely did not show up. Upon seeing Will’s practice warmup while waiting for the devil to arrive, Chuck Norris burned his own guitar, vowed to never play again, and has instead recently taken up breakbeat.

      I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
      And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

    • #5774

      Will Flaherty
      Moderator

      Haha, I like this story! That was very creative!

    • #5802

      superblonde
      Keymaster

      So Will in your playing of these scales, are you only using the tips of your fingers 100% of the time? or sometimes when fretting (esp above 12th fret) do you play with the pad of your fingers, pancaking them? Or pressing somewhere in between the tip and the pad?

      Also are you using your index finger as a barre at the beginning of each position (because the index finger doesn’t need to lift and also because it could fret both strings at once)?

      I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
      And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

    • #5803

      Will Flaherty
      Moderator

      Always on the fingertips and never barre two strings. Your playing will never be as clean with these runs, if you use a barre.

  • #5670

    grondak
    Participant

    I borrowed from my thread about practice hints, borrowed from Dave’s video, borrowed from super blonde’s hints, and slowed WAY down and made my hands do the “right things.” I’ll keep at it.  I don’t care how slow it is because the rule of practice is you get more benefit from doing it right once than you do from hundreds of failed tries.  Thanks for the great feedback, friends! 🙂

    Metal Method is helping me across the board!

  • #5694

    Mark
    Participant

    Finally got around to doing a video.  Exercise 13 at 152 bpm.   I backed my speed off on everything because I felt I just wasn’t clean enough, and happy I did.  Currently hitting all exercises at 148 bpm.  I bumped this one of for the video.   Hopefully it posts.

    Will Flaherty- Utica native here (currently in Atlanta).  Small world.

     

    http://youtu.be/EUtjH_RXNXQ

    • #5752

      superblonde
      Keymaster

      Wow that’s tremendous. A little noise up around 13th fret to my ears otherwise really clean. Nice work.

      I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
      And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

    • #5764

      Mark
      Participant

      Wow that’s tremendous. A little noise up around 13th fret to my ears otherwise really clean. Nice work.

       

      Thank you Superblone.  The upper fret work is something I’m definitely working on, so your comment doesn’t come as a surprise.  As a Les Paul player, I just can’t seem to get my hand position comfortable enough to keep my fingering consistent.   I have other guitars with better upper register access, but…they’re just not my LP :).   The Speed and Accuracy exercises have helped a lot.

  • #5858

    grondak
    Participant

    I put Troy Grady / Cracking the Code and exercise 13 together this morning. Duh/LOL.

    Metal Method is helping me across the board!

  • #5860

    TommyZ
    Participant

    I have the speed and accuracy DvD now and practice with it every day if I can.I just like to be able to improve in areas I feel I’m weakest so….it definitely has helped.Thanks to the motivation here also..

    "The level of achievement that we have at anything is a reflection of how well we're able to focus on it " Steve Vai

  • #5862

    MotleyCrue81
    Participant

    My advice to all: Practice the exercises with maximum distortion and even max overdrive if you have it. I feel that playing these exercises at a fast tempo with a clean or mildly distorted channel can give a false sense of clean playing because the extra string noise isn’t very prominent. Extra string noise will stick out like a sore thumb if you play with very high distortion. The cool thing is about practicing with max distortion is this: If you can play really clean with very high distortion (with overdrive as well possibly), imagine how crystal clear your playing will be on a channel with a normal distortion or even a clean channel. You will impress yourself with how clean you’ll sound.

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  • #6125

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    I’ve been practicing Ex 13 this month with alternate fingering, not every day as I reached some burnout on it and the sound of it is driving me nuts, but at least every few days. The crazy thing is that I still mistakenly revert back to the old fingering at random times. Like I will play it with new fingering for several minutes, thinking okay cool, got it now and going faster, then suddenly BAM! I play it once with the old fingering. It is kind of funny. It’s really sticky.
    I’m trying more strict classical style fingering too, so still not up to my fastest speed like before. Still increasing slowly though.

    I do notice I play differently if using an amp with gain up.. lighter picking and lighter touch or something.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #6127

    MotleyCrue81
    Participant

    I would like to point out that playing with your fretting hand like a classical player isn’t always necessary for speed. George Lynch always has his thumb on top of the neck when he plays and nobody doubts his speed or shredding abilities. The only time when having your thumb on top of the neck is bad is when your thumb starts to hang over the neck. There is a significant difference between having your thumb on top of the neck and over the neck, and that primarily is the angle of your wrist. You don’t want your wrist to be bent backwards when you play, it makes for bad playing technique and can hurt your wrist. When your thumb is over the neck, that’s when that bent backwards wrist happens. Having your thumb on top of the neck keeps your wrist straight and doesn’t make for bad technique (a lot of great guitarists play this way). You sometimes need to move your thumb towards the middle of the neck when fretting the 5th or 6th strings though. Having your thumb on the middle area of the neck keeps your wrist bent forward and is also a good technique (this is how MAB and Sarah Spisak play). The key is just to never have your wrist bent backwards. And just FYI in case some people didn’t know, the reason why classical guitarists have their thumbs positioned in the middle of the guitar neck is because a classical guitar’s neck is significantly wider than an electric guitar’s neck and this positioning of the thumb in the middle of the neck allows for the 5th and 6th strings to be reached more easily. Also, when playing a harmony and a melody with a classical guitar, you need single notes to ring out while you play other single notes (arpeggios most often) and the thumb in the middle of the neck makes it easier so that your fingers can play precisely on their tips and not touch any other strings that need to be played. Being in the guitar ensemble at my university, my guitar teacher always emphasizes having your thumb in the middle of the neck. So when I play classical guitar, I’ll have my thumb in the middle of the neck. But when I play electric guitar, for muting purposes I’ll have my thumb on top of the neck. Plus I just have relatively large hands and can reach the 5th and 6th strings more easily when play with my thumb on top.

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  • #6128

    MotleyCrue81
    Participant

    Here is an example that shows how you’d want to play with the tips of your fingers with a classical guitar. I wouldn’t recommend playing with your fingertips like that with an electric guitar because you wouldn’t be able to mute at all really. I mean if you were going to play an electric with that type of fingering, that would be silly! The idea for electric guitar is to play with your tips mostly, but not as extreme as a classical guitarist.

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  • #6355

    Dangermouse
    Participant

    I started the <span style=”color: #444242; font-family: ‘Open Sans’, Helvetica, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22px;”> </span><span style=”color: #444242; font-family: ‘Open Sans’, Helvetica, Arial, Verdana, sans-serif;”><span style=”font-size: 14px; line-height: 22px;”>Speed and Accuracy lessons today and hit 40bpm with no problem, funny thing is I’ve been using these same patterrns for warm up without even knowing they were are part of this course. </span></span>

  • #6358

    Dangermouse
    Participant

    Don’t know what I did wrong in last post but oh well. Anyways the first three finger excerpts I hit 40 pm right off the bat, it’s a wonder why, I was using those fingering just as a warm up for the last two weeks but at a slower tempo.

  • #6361

    MotleyCrue81
    Participant

    I think it’s just the forum’s italics, bold, etc. buttons. It’s happened to me before and I’ve seen it happen to other people as well haha. Keep practicing getting your speed up, I do a lot of economy picking on those exercises, I feel it makes them way easier and I can go through them much faster of course.  😉

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  • #6372

    Dangermouse
    Participant

    Day 2 yesterday and I got exercise 1 and 2 to 60 bpm and exercise 3 to 55 no mistakes. Yay me!!! Took a bit with exercise 3, had to figure out whether I could play exercise 3 with middle finger or ring finger….suddenly, my fingers had a AH-HA moment and they fell right into place, guess the ring finger won out, to weird but to cool. Ready to jack it up to day.

  • #6386

    Dangermouse
    Participant

    Day 3 yesterday I got exercise 3 up to 60 bpm and exercise 1 and 2 still at 60 bpm. Gonna have fun with it now and see what I can do. I should have stuck it out trying to learn how to play guitar back in the 80’s instead of playing drums for all these years, I can express myself way better.

  • #6398

    Dangermouse
    Participant

    Day 4 and 5, rock solid at 70 bpm on exercise 1, 2 and 3. Also getting my potential picking speed down so that is helping alot. Learning to become one with the guitar…lol.

  • #6399

    MotleyCrue81
    Participant

    Make sure you practice with maximum distortion and even overdrive if you have it. Even if a person can play lightning fast, it’ll sound terrible if it’s not clean. A lot of people fool themselves into thinking they play cleanly because they practice with little to no distortion. The second they crank the distortion up, they can’t handle it because they sound so sloppy. I like to advise practicing with max distortion and overdrive because then when you’re using a normal metal distortion, it’s crystal clear. Just a tip I like to throw out there haha.

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  • #6414

    Dangermouse
    Participant

    Hey Motley, thanks for the Advice, I don’t have a distortion or overdrive pedal but I cranked up the gain and messed around with the presence and reverb and resonance, played around with my smartgate a bit and things sounded way better. So here I am day 7 Going to bump it up another 10 to 80bpm, may sound slow to most but I think it’s pretty damn good for only 7 days in. Now I have to practice my potential picking speed and let the picks fall where they may.

  • #6415

    kyoungsteadt
    Participant

    Tremolo pick like a mad man!

    http://krispicks.com

  • #6416

    Dangermouse
    Participant

    I got my tremolo pick up to 100bpm, now I got to get my figure speed up a bit but I hit my goal for the day of 80bpm, Yay me!!!!

  • #6552

    Dangermouse
    Participant

    Well, Im a solid 80bpm no mistakes now and my figure speed is starting to catch up to my picking speed of 100bpm, dont know where I’d be if it wasn’t for the speed and accuracy program.

  • #6557

    MotleyCrue81
    Participant

    It’s a pretty great program, I actually use the 13 Exercises for warm ups every other day. It takes me about 7-8 minutes to do all of them several times each. The nice thing is that they eventually get stuck on your head and you don’t need to keep looking at the tabs to make sure you’re doing them right.  😉

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  • #6567

    Doug Marks
    Keymaster

    Thanks for keeping us updated Dangermous.

    Metal Method Guitar Instructor

  • #6642

    Dangermouse
    Participant

    Thanks Doug, you’ve created an awesome program with S&A, my only problem is With exercise three My hand doesn’t know whether to use the ring finger Or the middle finger And either one will take over Without me knowing sometimes Because I’m not always looking at the fretboard Kind of trips me out Because I’ve trained myself to use both. I do have a question about my picking speed, I don’t rest The heel of my hand next to the bridge of the guitar most of the time, It’s up and off of it And I use More of a fast twitching motion with my wrist, Does that help or hinder in the performance of my speed. And to add as a side note the little trick you mentioned about moving my arm away from my body a bit has helped. And yes I’m still in stage 1 but at the end with the F chord, I want to learn as much with the guitar as possible, I use to play drums but I’ve found that I can express myself better on guitar.

  • #6643

    MotleyCrue81
    Participant

    You’ll want to start getting used to resting your hand on the bridge. I’d like to point out that when you do rest your hand on the bridge, you’ll want the side of your palm to be muting the strings that you’re not playing. That’s because when you play, those strings will vibrate a little bit. It sounds ok for a clean tone because it’s not too noticeable, but when you start using a lot of distortion, those strings that are barely vibrating will make a lot of bad noise if not being muted. Also, resting your hand on the bridge makes your hand way more stable. It’ll make you play a ton better. And faster of course. That’s a main reason why every electric guitarist does it, for playing leads anyways. For open chords or acoustic guitar type playing/strumming you obviously don’t need to do it, but for lead type stuff, you should get used to it. Power chords you don’t necessarily have to do it all the time because after a while you’ll learn to mute strings with your fretting hand.

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  • #6759

    Dangermouse
    Participant

    All advice taken and Im closing in on 30 days. i started off at 50bpm and since starting S&A I have increased ex1 and ex2 to 90bpm and ex3 tyo 95, the only problem I seem to be having at this point is that my fingers seem to be sticking to the strings slightly and its making a slight noise when I release the string, any tips on this.

  • #6761

    MotleyCrue81
    Participant

    If your hands get sweaty just wipe them off on your pants. Or if you have gunk on the strings, that might be making them stick, just get some string cleaner on your strings after every use. Strings should always feel a little slippery. If you have really old strings, just change them out. Strings should look shiny, that’s how you can tell that they’re clean and/or new. If they’re really dull and string cleaner doesn’t make the strings feel better, then you need new strings.

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  • #7072

    Dangermouse
    Participant

    Made a huge progress jump last night. While practicing my exercises with gp6 at 90bpm where I have been stuck at for the past week, as I was working on exercise 1 my right hand automatically sped up and and instead of a picking motion it was more like a sweeping motion and my left hand also sped up as well I beat gp6, not on purpose but it just happened, I thought it was a fluke thing so I did it 2 more times 100bpm, this is after the personal 30 day challenge, pretty much a review. I’m working on ex4 now can wait to hear what that sounds like up to speed.

  • #7074

    AlleyCatRocker1980s
    Participant

    This is going to be great!

    I can’t wait, to see what you guys can do I missed last years an the guitar give away….. Does anyone know who won the guitar?

    I’m not a speed demon on the guitar more of a rock, an hair band, kind of guy!

    But yeah I totally support you guys,an can’t wait for this to get rolling again it will be interesting,an fun!

    Joe

    Practicing Guitar

  • #7075

    AlleyCatRocker1980s
    Participant

    Tremolo pick like a mad man!

    I like the blond Gibson Explorer, What year is it,where did you get it?

     

    Practicing Guitar

  • #7078

    MotleyCrue81
    Participant

    PaulWolfe won the Speed and Accuracy challenge.

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  • #7087

    Doug Marks
    Keymaster

    On YouTube search on the phrase: “speed and accuracy challenge”  There are still many great videos posted.  I couldn’t find Paul Wolfe’s video but the improvement over 30 days was dramatic.  Hey Paul, how about uploading the videos here?

    Metal Method Guitar Instructor

  • #7149

    Dangermouse
    Participant

    Hey AllyCat, I’m not really a speed demon either and the same here I’m more of a rock, bighair band guy but I’d rather have and not need it than need it and not have it when it counts but that’s what makes us so unique on guitar, no one sounds the same no matter how hard we try.

    • #7157

      AlleyCatRocker1980s
      Participant

      I totally, understand what your saying,

      Great to hear, you like the Hair Band Rock etc. It’s good, to know theres alot of us still out there

      yet.  But yeah I totally, understand in wich you speak…

      It’s better, to have some than not at all…I like hearing scales, done on guitars.

      I’m a big fan, of the exquisite sounding ones as well…by what I’m hearing the guy’s here

      are sounding pretty good..their coming along quite well! I like the grafts,very intresting!

      I like hearing schreading,as well!  Malmstein, I think thats how to spell his name… puts me

      in a trance everytime I hear him! He’s, just really unbelieveable…an he uses that scalloped neck on

      all his Fenders!  It’s like Holy Rock N Roll, totally amazing!

      There may be a point in time, where I will need to get some of this,thats in this thread in my guitar playing!

      I like, to keep an open mind…

      Practicing Guitar

  • #8012

    Southbound
    Participant

    Hi all

    Im new here and just started my speed training using GP . I started the "challenge" 3 days ago at 112 bpm as max for exercise 1 & 2 , 107 for exercise 3 and finally 105 for exercise 4 . Im playing around with the other exercises as well but im just memorizing the patterns/fingering so i ill include them later on .

    My goal is not to shred but i want to become confident somewhere around 130 – 150 bpm 😀

    I`m trying to do two hours a day with a 3 bpm increase every other day .

    At the moment i do most of the practice unplugged on a fairly hard played strat , i have guitars that are easy on the hands but it feels like cheating .

     

  • #8747

    kes7u
    Participant

    Hello all!

    I’ve been away from metal method for a few months.  I learned and became reasonably competent at performing all of the various techniques as I went through the basic course.  I finally started this course after messing around with another course for nearly a year.  Doug also convinced me to up my playing time to an hour per day, which has also helped immensely.

    I left the course for a while because after concentrating on lessons for so long, I needed to put my skills to use!  I’ve been out trying to learn various songs.  I’m able to reasonably play AC/DC’s You Shook Me, including the solo, which is immense fun!!

    I’ve now discovered that my speed is insufficient to play  much of the music that I like.  I’ve been trying out different methods of increasing speed, with some success. THEN, I remembered the Speed and Accuracy lesson.  I jumped in yesterday.  I’m starting out at 95bpm for exercises 1-3.  Here I go.  Great to be back!

    BTW, angling the pick has thus far been a HUGE help to me in increasing my speed.  Big Big difference.  It has allowed me to go to a thicker pick, which is also increasing my accuracy. Please make sure to learn this technique.

    Kevin

  • #8748

    Doug Marks
    Keymaster

    Hi Kevin. It sure sounds like you’re on the right track.  I think that it’s great that you’re learning songs.  That’s sure more motivating than just practicing exercises.  Of course, like you experienced, you learn that you have a few shortcomings and you come back to the course so you’re able to move on to more challenging material.  Perfect!  That’s the way it’s supposed to work.

    Metal Method Guitar Instructor

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