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    • #19710
      superblonde
      Keymaster

      I’m going to post vocal covers of some specific Ozzy songs soon. Does anyone want to do a guitar cover and I put vocals on top or vice versa? I have to be choosy about which ozzy songs because his vocals are too high. *hint hint ROTM* 😀 Just post a cover here and I can grab it and dub over the top..

      I have scratch vocals on Flying High Again and Paranoid and Mama I’m Coming Home. I’m continuing to re-record them to get them a bit closer sounding to Ozzy’s nuances, I will post them soon (hoping within a couple weeks).

      I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! ♯ ♮ ♭ ø ° Δ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬
      And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

    • #19712
      rightonthemark
      Participant

      sure. i can give it a whirl.
      i’ve played paranoid and flyin high again but never done mama i’m coming home.
      i’ll find a backing track without guitar and vocals.
      i’ll lay down the guitar tracks and then share a link to a wav file of it for you to add your vocals.
      i should be able to do paranoid today or tomorrow.
      but probably not til next week for the others as they will take a little more work.

      \m/

      rock and roll ain't pretty; that's why they picked us to play it.

    • #19713
      superblonde
      Keymaster

      Here my early sing-along sample of Mama, just the most recent practice track, not yet one I’m satisfied with so still work-in-progress. I didnt get all the notes and timing yet. I tried Over The Mountain and it has several notes still too high.

      In this track my isolated mostly no-fx vocal is on the right channel.


      Some of you guys must have seen Ozzy live especially in decades past, I cant really put my finger on anything in particular “special” that he’s doing live from watching his live videos, to win people over.. other than a lot of shout outs to the crowd.. yet he is rated very highly as a frontman. Any impressions from seeing him live?

      I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! ♯ ♮ ♭ ø ° Δ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬
      And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

    • #19714
      rightonthemark
      Participant

      here’s a link to paranoid using a box link.
      i haven’t used box for a long time so hopefully the link works.
      let me know.

      https://app.box.com/s/cgz4x9sf0snj2ihpo6u75u49myc257a7

      \m/

      rock and roll ain't pretty; that's why they picked us to play it.

    • #19729
      Will Flaherty
      Participant

      Just be aware not to use the original backing tracks. I made this mistake with two guitar cover/lesson videos I made. They were up for a long time, “sharing” ad revenue. Until someone decided they couldn’t be up at all. Now my Bark at the moon and Crazy Train covers are only available on my Facebook page. The live tribute version of Mr. Crowley is still up on YouTube, as I made my own backing track.

    • #19731
      rorygfan
      Participant

      , I cant really put my finger on anything in particular “special” that he’s doing live from watching his live videos, to win people over.. other than a lot of shout outs to the crowd.. yet he is rated very highly as a frontman. Any impressions from seeing him live?

      Seen him live several times late 70’s.  Never understood it either as a frontman, the voice is original and cool imho and 2 cents. But…He was never close in talent to his 70’s heavy or hard rock “peers” like Gillan, Coverdale, Plant, Jagger, Bloom, Nugent, DLR, Paul Stanley, or the greatest voice of all Halford… btw Watch the California Jam show below, lol., bobbing around he could have fronted Devo too.  I’ve also never understood why he was as popular, but who am I to say. He has a super long amazing career thanks to his wife and Randy and you can’ t argue with that. The world likes Gangham style too.

    • #19774
      superblonde
      Keymaster

      Thanks for the track ROTM, here is the initial result! I’ll make an update sometime after more practice cause it still needs improvement. My mixing needs improvement too.


      Paranoid Black Sabbath Ozzy (Studio Vocal Cover Over Metal Method ROTM Backing Track) 20161225

      I threw some slideshow stuff together to make it more interesting.. There is also a cameo of Doug in there. I found out some video effects stuff in Reaper, the thing I was missing, is to add “FX” to the track with the video or pics, then scroll the FX selection window to browse “All Plugins” and select “Video Processor” (thats the step I couldn’t figure out). Then add that one and select one of the presets like, “Track fades effect video” so the normal item envelopes will make the photos blend or fade.

      I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! ♯ ♮ ♭ ø ° Δ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬
      And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

      • #19775
        rightonthemark
        Participant

        i had been wondering how to do video fx in reaper too.
        thanks. that’ll definitely be helpful.

        singing not bad.
        any criticisms i would have you probably already have on yourself.
        no need for me to repeat them.
        although, the one thing i would add is during the “can you help me…” part even though it my not have been perfect the second line of that part i felt like i heard a little more of you rather than you just trying to sound like ozzy – and i liked it. \m/

        sometimes when something is a little out of my range i put on a little rasp and grind it out. it seems to work for me. at least i think it does.

        anyhoo…keep it up.

        rock and roll ain't pretty; that's why they picked us to play it.

    • #19793
      superblonde
      Keymaster

      Just be aware not to use the original backing tracks. I made this mistake with two guitar cover/lesson videos I made. They were up for a long time, “sharing” ad revenue. Until someone decided they couldn’t be up at all. Now my Bark at the moon and Crazy Train covers are only available on my Facebook page. The live tribute version of Mr. Crowley is still up on YouTube, as I made my own backing track.

      This is a great point. So far, no “copyright found” email on this cover (altho my Neil Young covers did get revenue sharing notices..), so somehow the backing track wasn’t matched. Normally I put the artist and song name in the tags too which I helps the copyright system locate tracks, and I didnt do that this time. If my covers get taken down, to me it isn’t a big deal because lets face it they aren’t great covers anyway 😀 Hopefully by the time they are taken down, I’ll be able to record a better one, after improving in the meantime, and I’ve been trying to set up my DAW projects such that producing a new updated video is not a huge time consuming process (Reaper is making this much easier because I can record audio into it and directly output the video). This is a big contrast to the videos I made a couple years ago which really took days to produce a single mp4. Ultimately recording and producing a video for any audience should be very little work, I mean, minimize the hassle and busywork of getting the creative content out.. Constantly improving the workflow is helping.

      I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! ♯ ♮ ♭ ø ° Δ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬
      And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

    • #19797
      superblonde
      Keymaster

      I spent quite a bit of time on that vocal phrase “Occupy my brain (etc)” and just couldnt get it right or figure it out so I just went with it – not only because it was way high.. today spent quite a bit more time on it, looping 4 seconds of Ozzy live in concert, trying to get the melody, here’s why: the song is in E minor right, and I believe that means, the vocal melody notes “have to be” in E minor pentatonic- unless its a specific blue note of course. Anyways I think this is the correct 3 measures (the “Oh yeah” measures still tbd) – the problem might be clear if looking at the notes, Ozzy is not only starting on G4 which is way outside but then hitting A4 which is simply crazy high for mortals. The ending of “brain” as he does it, should be on E to hit the root note. Obviously it doesnt matter, unless wanting to get it more correct than not. I mean it could be worse.. I didnt look at Dio, lol.

      sb-vocal-ozzy-paranoid-1

      sb-vocal-ozzy-paranoid-2

      I have a couple GP tabs from random internet places which has the piano instrument for the vocal, and in these GP files the vocal is just very off in these parts. I found a couple places with piano sheet music one of which had a sample page that showed these measures, and that helped.

      I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! ♯ ♮ ♭ ø ° Δ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬
      And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

      Attachments:
      1. sb-vocal-ozzy-paranoid-1.png

      2. sb-vocal-ozzy-paranoid-2.png

    • #19844
      superblonde
      Keymaster

      When I say “quite a bit of time” above that means like 4 hrs working on 2 measures.
      So I made some scales and measured my results and I believe this shows why my vocal cover blows chunks at the basic approximation, simply not hitting the right notes in the scale. Will take quite a bit more work. Piano track on top, my vocal squiggly line simply not staying within the white areas.

      practice-em-scale-20170101s

      Ozzy never had vocal training but he did spend 1,000+ hrs live singing blues songs (and beatles covers I suppose too) — thats all minor pentatonic scales — for 4+ hrs straight in bars while in the 1st band ‘Earth’ – his autobio mentions this and compares the number of gigs they had to The Beatles germany days and concludes they had played more hours total than The Beatles had.

      I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! ♯ ♮ ♭ ø ° Δ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬
      And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

      Attachments:
      1. practice-em-scale-20170101s.png

    • #22777
      superblonde
      Keymaster

      What I learned from Sarah’s Metal Riffs over thanksgiving.

      70% normal album tempo so far.
      Sarah’s clean play along track finally got me started. Because the album is out of tune, just could not follow it starting out.

      I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! ♯ ♮ ♭ ø ° Δ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬
      And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

    • #22793
      Byron
      Participant

      Ya know, there is no law that says you can’t  change the key (or vocal range) of a song to make it fit your voice. Pros do it all the time.

       

      Not even Rob Halford hits all those super high notes all the time live.

    • #22795
      superblonde
      Keymaster

      Yes, for sure. I guess that is why bands often downtune to Eb or even D for playing live just because it makes it easier on the vocal chords, not only for the tone. The more vocal covers I do, the more I can hear it when local cover bands have changed a song slightly. I also played with a couple whiny vocalists who didnt seem to have any practice discipline and so it was always like “ohh I cant sing that today, we need to change the key, can’t you use a capo?”. (What? its called doing vocal warmups every day and being ready.. duh, guitarists don’t suddenly say “ohh I cant play open chords today, my fingers are really tight”, right?)

      Capos, meh! we dont want no capos.

      I was just thinking back to my goals with these Ozzy practice covers.. the local vocal instructor I had, while playing in the local beginner band, had said “I like to start people on Ozzy because he is such a fantastic belter and it really teaches people how to belt” so I wanted to finally try these after having done more vocal practice. Well nowadays I think that’s pretty horrible advice. And maybe completely wrong too, who knows. Also wrong was giving me a Nirvana song as my first vocal and then later saying, “I don’t know how to scream or how Cobain did his screaming so that’s not something I can teach, have you heard of the art of screaming dvd, maybe you could watch that?” His vocals are too hard for an amateur. Picking Neil Young seems a better place to start because his vocals are more basic and wont shred the throat either.

      Anyway back to Paranoid, after seeing Zakk Wylde do his Zakk Sabbath thing, which was amazing, he was playing and soloing and singing as well, so I’m going to keep working on Paranoid. I’ll probably change the melody on that bridge (“Occupy my brain” part, I named it a bridge) and I would like to keep the rest as-is, just get better at singing where it is at.

      I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! ♯ ♮ ♭ ø ° Δ ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬
      And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

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