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  • #21376

    Master Killer
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    http://www.ebay.com/itm/MG-Series-MG412CF-4×12-Guitar-Speaker-Cabinet-/361694798594?hash=item5436b0a302:g:XoEAAOSwRUhY9Idd

     

    Can anyone tell me why these cabs are so cheap? I am looking to buy a cab for my Boss Katana 100 W head. I haven’t seen any made by Boss and the Waza Cabinets run around 900 bucks. Ain’t gonna happen.

     

     

     

    Cheap Guitars (with some exceptions) play just about as good as expensive ones. It's your ability combined with an awesome amp that makes the difference.

  • #21378

    safetyblitz
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    http://www.ebay.com/itm/MG-Series-MG412CF-4×12-Guitar-Speaker-Cabinet-/361694798594?hash=item5436b0a302:g:XoEAAOSwRUhY9Idd Can anyone tell me why these cabs are so cheap? I am looking to buy a cab for my Boss Katana 100 W head. I haven’t seen any made by Boss and the Waza Cabinets run around 900 bucks. Ain’t gonna happen.

    All cabinets are cheap to manufacture in the first place, and moreso now that most are made with cheap labor overseas.

    You can do a detailed side-by-side comparison to the standard Marshall 1960b at the Sweetwater links below. But offhand, I assume the MG version has less desireable speakers (they boast “Celestion” but don’t identify a model). The standard 1960b specifies Celestion G12T-75, which is still arguably a “step down” from what many people consider consider the gold standard for “the Marshall sound”: Celestion “Vintage 30”.

    Ultimately, a cabinet is just a birch box with speakers in it. With the MG, they’re making that box even more cheaply than they usually do, and putting even cheaper speakers in than they usually do.

    The MG is probably a lot less durable than the 1960b, but if you’re not planning to take it on the road, that might not matter. For use in a low-abuse environment, there’s probably nothing wrong with using the MG, and if you like the sound you get from the “mystery model” “Celestions” they include (which are probably some dirt cheap made-in-China speakers that Celestion puts their sticker on to help sell these cabs), it might be OK. I’d view this as paying for the convenience of having someone do the woodwork of throwing together a cheap cabinet for you, and if I didn’t like the stock sound, I’d replace the speakers with some value-priced “Vintage 30” clones (e.g. WGS “Veteran 30″). Mind you, you can probably get an even cheaper birch 4×12 cab with throwaway speakers from someone other than Marshall.

    Note also the MG doesn’t come with casters on the bottom.

    If you *do* want an amp that has a reputation for being rugged and surviving abuse, the internet has long claimed that the way to go is Mesa/Boogie 4 x 12” Rectifier Standard. I don’t have the personal experience to say whether or not that’s true.

    The main point is that at $250/$300 for a 4×12, the brand name is pretty much meaningless. Nowadays, most brands will stick their name on anything, and you have to do your homework re: which models are which. The “standard” 4x12s start around $900. Though again, for a low-abuse environment, it makes sense to get a cheap box, and then if you want, experiment with aftermarket speakers. If you already know the exact speakers you want, it may be cheaper to buy a cab that comes already loaded with them.

    https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MG412BCF

    https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/1960B

    https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/RectCab412ST

  • #21379

    rightonthemark
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    i have a marshall mg half stack.
    cabinet sounds good.
    the box is a smaller demensiom than your standard 1960 box.
    the celestions are the basic g12 speakers by celestion.
    i put casters on mine for easier moving and to get it off the ground just a bit.
    and you can get them used from guitar center for about $150.
    i got the mg head and the mg cabinet used from guitar for $150 each plus shipping.

    rock and roll ain't pretty; that's why they picked us to play it.

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    rightonthemark
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  • #21383

    Master Killer
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    Guys thanks for all the great info. I think I’ll go ahead and try it. I’m pretty much satisfied with the tone I’m getting from my Katana head at least as it sounds through the  on board 5″ speaker. Back in the day I had a Fender 120 W solid state head which was rack mounted in a head unit with three spaces of empty rack above. Under it was a 4 x 12 cabinet (fender) I’m not sure what model the Celestions were but I’m pretty sure they were top of the line. I ran a tube pre amp with an effects loop through it but still was never keen on my tone. That was the problem back in those days. You had tube amps and then, well everything else. Too often I had to choose between a newer, more reliable automobile or the amp.

    I really don’t expect to be gigging so it will probably be fine for what I am looking for.

    Cheap Guitars (with some exceptions) play just about as good as expensive ones. It's your ability combined with an awesome amp that makes the difference.

  • #21387

    Igglepud
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    I own that cab and the head made for it. Absolutely love it.

    MY ROCK IS FIERCE!!!

  • #21391

    MotleyCrue81
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    My Randall cab has 4 Celestion Vintage 30s and they really do sound amazing. The sound has such a full body, it’s all there the way it should be. My buddy has a cheaper Marshall 4×12 and it sounds good – but not as good. This is at lower volumes anyways, haven’t heard the difference when the volume is cranked because we haven’t tried that yet but one can assume a higher quality speaker will be more consistent as you really turn the knobs up. Btw, you can get great used cabinets that might be a little scuffed up on the outside, but will have speakers in perfect condition and will sound amazing.

    Bring hair metal back!

    • #21393

      Master Killer
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      Yeah I know there’s lots of great cabs on Ebay for sale the problem tends to be the shipping sometimes meets or exceeds what they’re asking for the cab. All the “local pickup only” seems to be in southern Cali or some place like New Jersey. I live in Idaho so that kind of defeats the purpose. Last week I saw a Crate Blue Voodoo 100 W head and cabinet for $400.00 but it was in San Jose, local pickup only. I seriously was figuring expenses driving down there and getting it but after all was said and done it was just not worth it. The BV was one of the very few amps that Crate put out that sounded good.

      Sometimes I want to kick myself for selling all my old gear but hey in 96 I needed money and was seriously pizzed off at what was happening in the music biz even at the local level where I lived so there ya go. At that time not many bands were looking for a hair metal speed demon player unless you were into Testament and well, I wasn’t.

      Cheap Guitars (with some exceptions) play just about as good as expensive ones. It's your ability combined with an awesome amp that makes the difference.

    • #21395

      Igglepud
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      Craigslist is still a thing. I got a good deal on a bass cabinet for my school on there. But if you want a new one, get it.

      MY ROCK IS FIERCE!!!

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