HomeForumsOther Topics"Kids today!!" or, "I want to but I dont have time to learn guitar."

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  • #14223

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    those aged between 18 to 35 – are “wasting their time”.

    That quote and the below pretty much sums up the habits of my friends as well.

    Army Reserve research shows time spent on social media and gaming 14 April 2016

    A survey for the The Army Reserve shows 18-35s spend three-and-a-half hours a day on social media and gaming.

    The survey of 2,000 is part of a recruitment campaign highlighting how young people wile away a day a week.

    The Army Reserve said many young people think joining the reservists is too much of a time commitment – despite saying they would like to learn a new skill if they had more time.

    The Army is aiming to reach a target of 30,000 trained reservists by 2019.

    Reservists are required to commit to at least 19 days a year.

    The study carried out on behalf of The Army Reserve by research specialists Opinion Matters asked 2,021 people, aged between 18 and 35, about their personal lives.
    ‘Think again’

    It found that more than 60% (1,213) said they would be interested in learning a new skill if they had more spare time, and a fifth (404) would like to volunteer and help others.

    A spokesman for the Army Reserve said the research was designed “to get people who may have not considered the Army to think again about being a reservist and realise that it’s not a huge commitment”.

    “With a time commitment from just 19 days a year, much of which is made up of short training evenings during the week, it’s a realistic option for a lot of people and that the rewards are huge,” he added.

    The survey also suggested that:

    37% (748) wanted improved fitness levels
    38% (768) wanted to travel more
    50% (1011) wanted to spend more time doing a hobby

    ….

    After a series of high profile recruiting campaigns, already costing millions of pounds, the Army is adopting a high risk strategy.

    It’s now telling one of its key audiences – those aged between 18 to 35 – they’re “wasting their time”.

    Rather than cause offence it’s telling this generation they could be learning new skills and earning extra money as part-time soldiers rather than lounging on the sofa or logging into their social media accounts.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-36037583

    Maybe the best decisions I ever made when moving out of the house long ago, was to never buy a TV, and never subscribe to cable, never buy another gaming console, etc.

    Tho I probably spend that time instead on internet message forums ;-D

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #14226

    Sean
    Participant

    SB,

    I spoke about this survey today at my daily huddle at work. I have a gentleman that just retired from the Military. And he told about one of his last inspections. A young recruit actually pulled out a cellphone from his front pocket while standing in the inspection line. Social media truly has a massive pull on people.
    Even I must admit since being a member of this forum I now check in daily. I would have never done this last year or earlier. There is something to this form of communication and information gathering that can be attractive.

    Tell me and I will forget ,show me and I'll remember, involve me and I'll understand

  • #14230

    Igglepud
    Participant

    Video games ARE another skill. I spent January becoming proficient at Battlefront.

    MY ROCK IS FIERCE!!!

  • #14231

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Video games are not all bad especially for kids. The widely publicized studies of air force pilots in Desert Storm showed young pilots having incredible reflexes and spacial skills compared to previous decades presumably because the guys had played tons of fast paced shoot-em-up games (aka DOOM and Quake). But still, “enough is enough” at some point, right? Like when it becomes habit & addiction. I believe there was a time when it was possible to actually make eye contact with cute girls in cafes or bars. ;-D Now they (and everyone else) just stares at their phones :-/ Playing the Facebook Keep-Up-With-The-Joneses game. I guess I really notice more because I don’t have a phone.

    At a recent band rehearsal our frontman had a break because a different band member sings certain songs. I thought he might be doing something useful on his phone, like, reviewing lyrics to make sure the 2nd vocalist was performing well, or listening closely with some focus. Nope. He was playing that crystal gem game.

    Something about ‘being present in the actual life that is passing by right now’ is missing today.. And virtual reality, or augmented reality, isn’t even in common use by people yet.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

    • #14241

      Igglepud
      Participant

      I agree, people are less “present” now. I am guilty of this myself: I check this forum, practice chess, respond to e-mails, etc. all the time. I have had to set some serious boundaries with electronics: none at all during time with my wife and daughter, none at all during dinner.

      How does your front man expect the audience to be engaged in your performance when he himself is not?

      MY ROCK IS FIERCE!!!

  • #14232

    Sean
    Participant

    My only issue with video games is this and Igglepud you may have insight in this as a teacher. I have an employee who calls out sick when a big new game comes out. It’s like clockwork. This has happened three times in less than a year. This isn’t one day, No its multiple days because of our accurance policy. This is a man with two young children.

    Tell me and I will forget ,show me and I'll remember, involve me and I'll understand

    • #14242

      Igglepud
      Participant

      This is going to become an issue for employers in the future. It’s the same as when hunting season opens or they get tickets to their team’s championship game.

      I would suggest being proactive about it: if you don’t want everyone taking off work when deer season opens, make it known in advance that request off requests will be denied and anyone who does not show up for their shift will receive disciplinary action.

      MY ROCK IS FIERCE!!!

  • #14238

    safetyblitz
    Participant

    A way to visualize your life that might help impart a sense of urgency:

    http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/05/life-weeks.html

  • #14239

    metalj
    Participant

    I used to love videogames. Now I buy videogames that I don’t play which is a whole different problem. I got seriously discouraged in my pursuit of guitar mastery. Or maybe it was around the time I got my smart phone. But something definitely happened and I set the bar extremely low nowadays due to my attention span. It’s a bummer for sure. I have plenty of free time but I physically reject doing the same thing for hours on end. Damn internet.

     

    Jay aka the letter J

  • #14240

    Sean
    Participant

    Thanks for this Safetyblitz!

    There are so any life lessons in this article. Between the written word and the graphs. Very cool.

    Tell me and I will forget ,show me and I'll remember, involve me and I'll understand

  • #14243

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Yea that’s a cool link.
    That Retirement box can be doubled in size though if the Career box is cut in half. 😀 It’s not so difficult. 😀

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #14260

    Francisca
    Participant

    People are addicted to their phones! Everytime that I travel by subway (here called “metro”) I can see everybody starring at those little screens, and what’s unbelievable is that the subway in the mornings is really full here and somehow they manage to put the cellphones out and text or play games or something. I don’t even know what they do! And sometimes it is annoying because they put the cellphone over your shoulder or even over your head! I don’t have a cellphone either and people get surprised when they know about it. Social media can be fun and even educative, but for some people it gets out of control! Can you believe that some of my classmates at college start checking their phones in the middle of the class?! The teacher has to ask them to turn off the cellphones. And when I’m in the classroom with computers half of them is checking facebook while the teacher is explaining something! Their attention goes anywhere else but the class.

    I think it is the same with videogames. It may be good to play but when it becomes an addiction there is trouble. I used to play guitar hero on play station, but one day it broke down and it didn’t matter that much to me. Sure I didn’t like it, but I didn’t feel like getting a new one. I was already more into spending my time studying English and learning how to play guitar for real.

    Internet is something that I use all the time now. Six years ago I felt like internet was not important. Now I know about many guitar related webpages, I can get guitar tabs, I can read (and sometimes write) in a forum… But it’s weird that I don’t feel part of the “technology era”.

    What about you, guitar players?

    "...Guitar coming from a radio, Always takes you where you wanna go, Somehow all your troubles always seem to fade away..." - Joan Jett (Play That song Again).

    • #14279

      AlleyCatRocker1980s
      Participant

      Hey Francisca,  🙂

      I totally understand, where your coming from..

      The thing I’m really worried about, is people Texting while driving I had two really scarry incidents

      that took place a few years back.  One was a Guy driving a Truck, an passing me on an Icy Road doing 75 mph.

      He was Texting, lost control on the Icy Road..He ended up in a 40 foot Ditch, & the Truck flips over on it’s Roof.

      Lucky he had his Safety Belt on, & he got out of the Accident with a brief cut on his fore head.

      Another time, a Guy did the same thing passing me going quite fast on an Icy Road he had a 4 Wheel Drive Truck & was Texting.

      As he was passing me, I had thought to myself…..Man what if this Guy, gets like 300 feet in front of me an as he’s Texting he loses control on

      the Ice. An then he spins around, an is coming rite back at me?     Whelp guess what?   Thats exactly what happined!

      An I had to practically, drive in the Ditch to avoide him…  this is true!

      Texting is great, but why do it while driving?

      Hi Francisca  Great to see you, what have you been doing these day’s?  🙂

      Practicing Guitar

    • #14392

      MotleyCrue81
      Participant

      Their attention goes anywhere else but the class.

      And then college kids wonder why they don’t get a job in our country after they graduate, HELLO, companies don’t want to hire dumb people. What’s actually kind of appalling is that people will take out their phone during an interview. Such idiots.

      Bring hair metal back!

  • #14261

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    I’ve always viewed internet forums as different because you’re actually talking to people about neat topics. Or hopefully not completely nonsense arguments hah. I dont use other guitar or music forums though. Sometimes I read them if I google for something, but overall I find there’s too many other musical genres and stuff is written without context so it’s harder to put any advice or anecdotes in proper perspective. Here obviously everyone is a metalhead (well except for that ONE crazy jazz guy lol ;-D ) so everyone’s speaking from the same page basically.

    Recently I got more in the habit of carrying my tablet around mostly so I can check email sometimes for bandmate updates. Otherwise I purposely try to avoid anything time sensitive like “text me when you get there”. What’s up with that. Why text when anyone gets anywhere. Less than 10 years ago (not long ago!) people got places just fine without texting anyone. People mostly showed up on time or simply waited and hung out. Nowadays I’ve had dates and biz appointments flake because they showed up, looked around, didn’t see anyone else (because literally they were waiting just around the corner), and left.

    Anyways. Video games have a big chat element these days so that’s where a lot of social activity went too. It’s not the same though. Compare chatting in a video game about whatever’s new, to chatting over a physical game of poker about whatever’s new. All my old friends have disappeared into this ‘video game void’.

    Now has it spilled over into music.. yes right? Do bands get together to play like they used to? I don’t know but I don’t assume so? Musicians say, “Lets trade wav files on dropbox. We only need to rehearse once a month, otherwise we use practice tracks” instead of physically getting together right? Sure city traffic is harder than it used to be. Commute or farther travel is harder and more expensive. Still.. it’s not the same right? Is it harder to find band mates today simply because people are not patient enough (to wait around, or simply, to deal with real people as imperfect as people are) compared to just 10 years ago?

    Real kids today though, like, 12 year olds, I have no idea what they are up to. I think some of them are learning the lesson. Supposedly young kids bag on facebook because “it’s old” (it’s like myspace to them, hah). I dont know if that’s just lip service though. I think they moved on, to the instant video streaming apps like Periscope. Or this thing where kids watch videos of people walking thru video games. How exciting is that.. it’s not even playing a game, it’s simply watching someone else play the game. (???!) Hugely popular according to some web statistics people.

    I still don’t know how long it takes to learn guitar though. So if someone says, “I don’t have time to learn guitar”. Well, how long does it take? shrug, I dunno, how much time ya got? 😀

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #14265

    safetyblitz
    Participant

    Anyways. Video games have a big chat element these days so that’s where a lot of social activity went too. It’s not the same though. Compare chatting in a video game about whatever’s new, to chatting over a physical game of poker about whatever’s new.

    And due to the “not-getting-punched-in-the-face” factor, a disproportionate fraction of video game chatter is about who’s a “fag” and who isn’t.

  • #14267

    safetyblitz
    Participant

    I still don’t know how long it takes to learn guitar though. So if someone says, “I don’t have time to learn guitar”. Well, how long does it take? shrug, I dunno, how much time ya got?

    That “life calendar” page has a link to an interesting article by the same author about procrastination. He talks about people avoiding starting large, nebulous tasks (one of his examples is “learn to program”) because they sound “icky” and people don’t have a concrete idea of how to start.

    So he talks about the importance of having strategies for “un-ickying” tasks. In his example, it would include decomposing to “find a 12 week intro to programming course”, “complete the course between date X and date Y”, etc. In the case of guitar, since there are so many different styles and capabilities a person could aspire to, time scales for “learn guitar” are at worst meaningless, or at best mean different things to different people. Some people mean “know enough chords to play songs by the campfire”, while some people mean “be able to improvise bebop lines over any chord progression”.

    I think one of the best ways to benchmark progress in guitar is to identify songs you want to play. Some will be more difficult than others. Most people can probably be taught to fake their way through playing the rhythm of a blues shuffle in less than an hour, whereas playing the solo in Dream Theater’s “Under a Glass Moon” will take a little longer.

  • #14268

    rorygfan
    Participant

    http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/05/life-weeks.html

    Wow, that reality sets in and reinforces my need to do more bucket list things NOW. Ha.  Great link. Thanks.

  • #14282

    Francisca
    Participant

    Less than 10 years ago (not long ago!) people got places just fine without texting anyone. People mostly showed up on time or simply waited and hung out.

    That is so true!!! Sometimes my mom starts telling me that she wants to buy me a cellphone so I can call her when I arrive or go somewhere. Her argument is that it is really important. I don’t see the difference. I’m not into cellphones at all, and I tell her, hey some years ago people didn’t call each other everytime they left or arrived somewhere and everything worked just fine ( I guess).

    "...Guitar coming from a radio, Always takes you where you wanna go, Somehow all your troubles always seem to fade away..." - Joan Jett (Play That song Again).

  • #14284

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    I have had to set some serious boundaries with electronics: none at all during time with my wife and daughter, none at all during dinner.

    I really like this. I notice when getting to know some people really well (basically meaning uh, girls I’ve dated) that the ones who did the “grew up watching TV over the dinner table” are markedly different (not in a positive way) than the ones who “actually had family time and didn’t turn the TV on until after dinner if at all”. A while back I had a neighbor, this married couple, the wife had six kids, all girls, and they weren’t hippies, but grew up without a TV basically, by mom’s choice. One time I got the mom to describe all the daughters and they had all turned out incredibly cool with diverse interests – compared to the materialistic, and to me kind of narrow/shallow interest, typical so cal girls (especially princess-mentality types), but that’s a fairly judgmental comment I know.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

    • #14288

      Igglepud
      Participant

      Judgemental as it may be, I don’t doubt the accuracy. Leave a television to raise a child, and they will grow up to be materialistic. It’s very hard to see the world differently when you are told your entire life that self worth equates to possessions and a specific image. I imagine constant internet access only makes this worse.

      MY ROCK IS FIERCE!!!

  • #14390

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    I just got an email from the local music school with the headline :

    Trade the DS for an SG

    Ha, kind of a cute slogan. Trying to lure in kids for music lessons.
    (meaning, Nintendo DS)
    but actually this music school has a lobby rigged with video games, so kids can “stay occupied after lessons are over” or something. totally odd.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #14458

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Here is a new number to figure out. 78 billion hours of play time, in just 10 years of the console’s lifetime.

    RIP Xbox 360: Gamers pay tribute to the discontinued console

    By Duncan Middleton Newsbeat reporter
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/36100585/rip-xbox-360-gamers-pay-tribute-to-the-discontinued-console


    78 billion gaming hours have been racked up on the Xbox 360.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #14460

    rorygfan
    Participant

    78 billion hours of play time, in just 10 years of the console’s lifetime.

    Think about that statistic.  Just even 1% of that same time dedicated to creativity in music where a small segment of these people practiced music instead and focused on being songwriters, singers, drummers, bassists and guitarists practicing… and Rock might be more alive.  All it takes is a few people. I read Wolfmother made a statement today about Rock is coming back.  Hmmm.

  • #14461

    rorygfan
    Participant

    Judgemental as it may be, I don’t doubt the accuracy. Leave a television to raise a child, and they will grow up to be materialistic. It’s very hard to see the world differently when you are told your entire life that self worth equates to possessions and a specific image. I imagine constant internet access only makes this worse.

    Wow, isn’t that the sad truth. An entire couple of generations were raised that way too.  I travel alot and have believe I have mentioned before this materialistic stuff is more rampant in the “Developed World”.  There are tons of people with tube TV’s outside the USA that are very happy having 5 kids, riding the bus and making little money and most assuredly will remain poor.  In fact, I have a friend who survives on $200. a month rolling cigars and has 2 kids, lives in a cement block 1 room house with open 220 wiring all over, an outhouse and shower outside.  She is surprisingly happier than many American’s I have had as friends, employed, worked with, been acquainted, etc.  They are more socially connected within families and even though they all have smartphones too just like everywhere else, they don’t have this overwhelming pressure by the media and consumerism, keep up with the jones desire to go out and buy the latest 85″ OLED TV, overpriced cars, houses, jewelry, etc.

  • #14462

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    I read Wolfmother made a statement today about Rock is coming back. Hmmm.

    Bands always say this before they go on their reunion tours 😀 it’s just baked into their perception at that point.

    He talks about people avoiding starting large, nebulous tasks (one of his examples is “learn to program”) because they sound “icky” and people don’t have a concrete idea of how to start.

    Hey MAB. your exercise is icky.
    Hmm. it’s still there, staring back at me from GP6. So that didn’t seem to work LOL 😀 😀
    maybe I have to use the Jim Gillette voice at it?
    Hey MAB. your exercise is iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiickkkkkkkkkkkkkkeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!
    Hmm. Well that didn’t work either but at least I got my daily “eee scream” exercise in.
    Safetyblitz you might be onto something. The world needs more vocally talented frontmen…
    😀

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #14463

    safetyblitz
    Participant

    maybe I have to use the Jim Gillette voice at it?

    Has this edit been posted on the forums here before?

  • #14465

    MotleyCrue81
    Participant

    Gotta love the pants bulge haha. Gotta say, as much as girls like to say that they don’t like it, personal experience says they sure do like to look hahaha.  😉

    Bring hair metal back!

  • #15693

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    This NYT article summarizes Netflix’s study of 9 years of people streaming various television series.

    Netflix Studied Your Binge-Watching Habit. That Didn’t Take Long.
    By JOHN KOBLIN JUNE 8, 2016 http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/09/business/media/netflix-studied-your-binge-watching-habit-it-didnt-take-long.html

    “After three years of studying original series releases and nine years of streaming over all, we can now identify some patterns, finally,” Cindy Holland, the vice president for original content at Netflix, said in an interview.

    The data is separated into various viewers’ habit categories.

    Category 1

    How quick: The median amount of time for a user to finish a season is four days. Time spent watching each day is about 2 hours and 30 minutes.

    Category 2

    How quick: The median amount of time users take to finish a season is five days. Time spent watching each day is about 2 hours 10 minutes.

    Category 3

    How quick: The median amount of time to finish a season is six days. Time spent watching each day is about 1 hour 45 minutes.

    “The general trend we noticed is that subsequent seasons are consumed even faster than the preceding seasons,” Ms. Holland said.

    That means average viewing time for later weeks, actually increases!

    People might just have more free time than ever.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #15698

    pipelineaudio
    Participant

    Our band kids used to mirror my saying that “there is ZERO excuse to suck today” because of all the zillions of learning resources we would have KILLED for back in the day. I remember saving my pennies to buy guitar books that were horrifically inaccurate, slowing down tape recorders then running the result thru a pitch shifter in order to learn licks, and only being able to hear a tiny fraction of the music the guitar magazines talked about. That’s out the window today.

  • #15702

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    I want to finish my entire streaming season of the new complete basic course in just 4 days! 😀

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #15716

    PaulWolfe
    Participant

    It’s really not “kids today”… I graduated high school in 1984 and spent the next 12 years playing guitar, working and watching local bands. When I was 30 I joined the Army and shattered my hip 2 weeks into Basic. The Captain in charge of the medical staff at Fort Sill, Oklahoma told me I suffered from a “DDS problem”… Meaning I “didn’t do shit” for 12 years! I did lots of things, physical fitness simply wasn’t one of them.

    Kids today do lots of things, too. The problem is 98% of those things take place online. School reinforces this by having kids do their homework online and upload it to Google Docs. Their textbooks are electronic and their research is electronic.

    Kids today are programmed from birth to be online, so we adults need to change the focus and show the kids a different way of life.

    • #19488

      . W H U N E .
      Participant

      this makes my presumption to make a quick video explaining transposing to you… all the more hilarious

      you were quite gracious sir xD

      En Joy your day ^ ^

  • #22188

    superblonde
    Keymaster


    This Is How Short Your Life Is.

    Video hits on 10,000 hrs rule about 2/3 of the way thru.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

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