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  • #19963

    Igglepud
    Participant

    First log (http://guitarlessonforum.com/guitar-forums/topic/igglepuds-practice-log) started taking too long to load, so in the interest of people actually getting to read it, I’m splitting it up.

    The laste three days I spent working on an arpeggio run. It’s two sets of triplets. I can play it unbelievably fast…once. Something is blocking me from repeating. I’ll figure it out. This arpeggio took a HUGE amount of focus on my technique: distance each finger moves from the frets, need to barre (less unnecessary movement), distance and direction of each individual pick stroke, existence of tension and how to eliminate it (tension must equal 0), pulling vs squeezing the neck, and more.

    All the above to play six notes in about one second. Took me roughly two hours total. Going to try on the electric tomorrow and see if it’s any easier.

    I also played some acoustic covers.

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  • #19964

    MotleyCrue81
    Participant

    6 notes in one second like triplets at 120 bpm?

    Bring hair metal back!

    • #19967

      Igglepud
      Participant

      Yes, triplet 16th notes.

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    • #19974

      MotleyCrue81
      Participant

      Triplet 16th notes at 60bpm then? That would be 6 notes a second. Triplet 16ths at 120 bpm is MAB speed. ;D

      Bring hair metal back!

    • #19975

      Igglepud
      Participant

      Yes, I mean approaching MAB speed. But I can only do it in one burst. Today I can repeat it but not at 120 BPM.

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  • #19969

    Igglepud
    Participant

    Played through Square Hammer.

    Played some acoustic originals.

    Worked on the Master of Puppets arpeggio. I can play it repeatedly two or three times at about 90 BPM, but I feel like I should be able to loop it to really say I internalized the riff.

    Put down chord structure to Bounce House lyrics. This is so dumb I should just throw it out, but the chord structure is interesting. It has three keys, and it flows through them all successfully.

    Jammed on the pentatonic scale (the transition from position 1 to 3 sounded good.)

     

     

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  • #19979

    Igglepud
    Participant

    Beverly Hills Cop theme because it was stuck in my head.

     

    More arpeggio. I do not doubt at all that Batio played that riff 1000 times.

    Some acoustic jamming.

    MY ROCK IS FIERCE!!!

  • #20000

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    does this mean your elbow has repaired itself?

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

    • #20009

      Igglepud
      Participant

      More or less. I still can’t do marathon sessions though. After about an hour it feels really hot. I’m also relearning to play just about everything because bad technique was creating a lot of tension which probably caused the original injury. My fretting of power chords (just slamming my ring finger over everything) HURTS. I finished week 5 today and am going to take Doug’s approach of fretting the entire chord while twisting the wrist.

      On that note, a while back I attended a workshop. The presenter said that the trick to barre chords was not to barre them. You bring your thumb closer than your index finger and use it as a fulcrum. Doug does this in the video, but I dont know that he specifically mentions the thumb placement when talking about the twist.

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    • #20012

      MotleyCrue81
      Participant

      I normally have my thumb right where my middle finger is on the opposite side of the neck when doing barres. It allows you to rotate your hand like a fulcrum to plant that first finger nice and strong for the barre. Classical guitar teachers will also normally instruct that even for single note playing, the thumb be opposite of the middle finger on the neck for the most part.

      Bring hair metal back!

    • #20016

      Igglepud
      Participant

      It works. You get a lot more power out of your hand and spend less energy.

      MY ROCK IS FIERCE!!!

  • #20010

    Igglepud
    Participant

    The arpeggio is starting to come along. I’ve invested about 4 hours at this point and can play it repeatedly at 70 BPM.

    Found an awesome video by Tommy Emmanuel on how to play his style. I can’t wait to see how many hours of misery it takes for my thumb and fingers to become independent operators. He said just the thumb would take about a week.

    Taught a student how to use a metronome. I should use it every time I practice myself.

    More pentatonic jamming.

    MY ROCK IS FIERCE!!!

  • #20015

    BigW
    Participant

    Its saddens me to say but I find using a metronome one of my  hardest challenges at this point. I have no problems doing the exercises with guitar pro as long as I can hear the guitar part in the background but if I try to use it without or a traditional metronome it goes to hell in a handbasket. I am a man without rhythm 🙁

     

    Big W

    • #20017

      Igglepud
      Participant

      I wouldn’t stress. Guitar Pro is essentially a metronome with backing tracks.

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    • #20018

      MotleyCrue81
      Participant

      I didn’t like the metronome when I first started using it. I didn’t even wanna use it in the first place. I always thought oh if I play with the guitars and drums and stuff and it sounds alright then it’s fine. Boy was I wrong. When practicing lead stuff, etc, the metronome is how you dial in. You’ll learn a lot about your actual guitar ability once you start using a metronome a lot. I’ve come to find that the more I use the metronome, I keep liking it more and more and realize how helpful it is. I would go nutso if I didn’t have my metronome for practice!

      Bring hair metal back!

  • #20020

    BigW
    Participant

    Thanks I’m trying to power through it as I believe it to be an important aspect for future success….I’m 20 or more bpm slower using a metronome vs GP with the guitar sound in background as a guide.

    Could be a confidence thing too as I feel uncomfortable trying to feel the rhythm even when I’m alone

     

     

    Big W

    • #20023

      superblonde
      Keymaster

      you could try some work-towards-it-exercises like changing the gp6 guitar sounds to turn off the distortion pedals and make the guitars clean, then the sound will act more like a metronome- a clearer beat. Or replace one measure of the gp6 guitar exercise with rests and then play along with the guitar then play thru the no-guitar-only-drums then sync back up with the guitar in the next measure. Another good thing to do is to put the gp6 guitars in only one ear and your guitar in the other ear, however you want to do that (two sets of earbuds one to the computer and one to the guitar amp, or pan the gp6 guitars to the left and feed a software monitor of your guitar to the right) – then lining up the timing is really clear, easy to hear being off. All kinds of stuff like that.

      Guitars should have built-in metronomes.. it would be easy (not much extra $$) to add into a guitar circuit.. even include basic drum samples and like 8 measure drum patterns.

      I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
      And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #20030

    Igglepud
    Participant

    Spent an hour or so practicing thumb independence. I can play a few little things off-beat, but it feels really unnatural. I’m a long way from autonomous bass lines.

    MY ROCK IS FIERCE!!!

  • #20032

    BigW
    Participant

    Sorry Igglepud for messing up your practice thread….Ill end it by saying thanks for the suggestions, when I’m of work today I plan on spending a lot of time practicing and hope by endless reps it will improve my timing/feel as well as my speed and accuracy

    Big W

    • #20035

      Igglepud
      Participant

      You didn’t mess anything up, that’s why I post this thing.

      I was just thinking about rythm and counting/feeling time, and I realize many people probably come here and their only experience with music is learning guitar. I got a lot of training in general music skills learning saxophone (7 years in school), so I take for granted that I understand time in music. I’m going to teach my band kids to count time because it still applies even though we’re mainly a guitar group.

      MY ROCK IS FIERCE!!!

  • #20047

    Igglepud
    Participant

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  • #20048

    Igglepud
    Participant

    Here is my arpeggio work:

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  • #20057

    Igglepud
    Participant

    Jammed with the new acoustic plugged into a big Blackstar amp. Totally different playing experience.

    Spent some time yesterday on Blue Moon. This is going to take a long, long time.

    Worked on my arpeggio.

     

    MY ROCK IS FIERCE!!!

  • #20066

    Igglepud
    Participant

    A little work on Blue Moon. The two bars I can play are better, but it doesn’t feel like I’m playing two parts (bass and melody), it just feels like one riff. That separation of my thumb from the fingers as an independent entity is a long way off.

    My pinky is still slowing down my arpeggio. I can loop it somewhat now, but it still isn’t terrific.

    Jammed on the acoustic on the pentatonic. Worked on some chord progressions. Reviewed “Major Tom.”

    MY ROCK IS FIERCE!!!

  • #20086

    Igglepud
    Participant

    The chess team had a tournament today so I brought my rp1000 and the Damien…Holy crap, that was fun! Cranked up a JCM900 with a bunch of overdrive. Jammed a long time on the pentatonic, up and down through all five positions then linking them together musically. I’m a little rusty with positions 2 and 4, but they’re there again. Next I plan on converting these into a 3 note per string pattern and learning that for fast runs.

    Also worked on “Killing in the Name”, “Gold on the Ceiling”, and “Square Hammer”.

    MY ROCK IS FIERCE!!!

  • #20118

    Igglepud
    Participant

    More up and down through the pentatonic scale and some chord progressions.

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  • #20142

    Igglepud
    Participant

    My Marshall half stack came today…

    *cue angelic choir*

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  • #20157

    Igglepud
    Participant

    And the basketball team switched gyms this afternoon, so I couldn’t blare my new amp after school. Not cool!

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    • #20159

      superblonde
      Keymaster

      my meme represents my disdain for sports vs the arts and sciences 😛

      schoolfinances

      I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
      And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

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    • #20163

      Igglepud
      Participant

      Our band fund is currently .28¢ and over half our gear is my own personal property.

      MY ROCK IS FIERCE!!!

  • #20173

    Igglepud
    Participant

    Played a basketball game tonight. New amp is awesome, but my tones on my RP1000 all need changed. They don’t sound the same as through my headphones, I’m guessing because they are amp models being played through a real amp.

    We all worked on Superstition and The Wall. The kids are going to rock that Pink Floyd. It’s already coming together.

    MY ROCK IS FIERCE!!!

  • #20185

    Igglepud
    Participant

    Spent more time today teaching than playing. Showed a couple students how to USE the pentatonic scale and worked through a Nirvana tab, focusing on the (very bizarre) solo. Jammed a bit on the acoustic, finished week 6.

    MY ROCK IS FIERCE!!!

  • #20207

    Igglepud
    Participant

    Got my EWI4000 yesterday and the 3020 today. Did a little acoustic work. Also taking a singing course. Will be so happy to finish grad school. Once that’s done I plan to record some original work. This is the year I go pro.

    MY ROCK IS FIERCE!!!

    • #20226

      superblonde
      Keymaster

      I’m wondering if you’ve converged on the gear you’re going to use when playing live, is part of that setup, your new amp?

      I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
      And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

    • #20227

      Igglepud
      Participant

      Yes. I plan on using the Marshall amp with my multiFX board, the Trio running through my two monitors (and maybe a bass amp if I can remember how to route it all) as well as vocals through the monitors, though if I had to I could mic them separately. My Blackstar can be used for keys/EWI if needed. Ideally, though, I get other people to fill some spots. A real drummer would be nice.

      MY ROCK IS FIERCE!!!

    • #20231

      superblonde
      Keymaster

      you still have the novation right, is that part of the setup? the reason I ask is because, drummers being hard to find, and keyboard players being easier to find (?), I wonder if a keyboard player could play percussion. you’ve worked around the missing bassist problem with the pedal.. I’ve been thinking about how Ray Manzarek worked around the missing bass player in a band by getting a bass synth keyboard (to his benefit too, he was already a very talented keyboardist and musician at that time). The idea of having prerecorded drum tracks for playing with live, just doesnt seem organic enough to me, vs live playing even “not real drums”-sounding synth percussion which seems better.

      I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
      And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

    • #20232

      Igglepud
      Participant

      The Launchpad would be great for that, but requires a laptop and a sound interface. I’ve used it to record before and could easily create drum tracks to play with. There is a site similar to this for finger drumming like Skrillex.

      MY ROCK IS FIERCE!!!

    • #20237

      superblonde
      Keymaster

      Hm yea laptop, I see. Theoretically I think an edrum controller/brain (+ 3rd party drum samples burned into it for better sound) could somehow fit in with the midi pad to create realistic drum sounds without needing a laptop, the brains have analog audio-out’s. Could be quite a pricey setup though. I looked up skrillex some time ago to see what is possible with the finger drumming. It’s hard to find any rock or metal songs done on these devices “live”. There should be something like a black sabbath acid test for these devices, like, if someone can play iron man on it live without running sequences or quantized alignment, then the device is “legit for live rock music”, otherwise it’s just for techno dj type premix stuff. Here is one rare and newer video showing that something like this is somewhat possible.


      Black Sabbath – “Paranoid” – Multi Instrumental Cover on Guitar, Bass & MIDI Pad Keyboard Controller
      audio gear & soft:
      Drums – AKAI MPK mini MKII Controller + Steven Slate Drums EX 4 VSTi
      Bass – Yamaha TRBX 305 (mod with Bartolini Preamp) + Studio Devil Bass Amp Pro VST
      Guitars – two Yamaha Pacifica-s (all modded versions) + Ignite Amps Emissary VST (L) + Studio Devil AMP modeller Pro VST (R & Solo)
      Voice – AKAI MPK mini MKII Controller + u-he TyrellN6 VSTi synth
      Mixed in REAPER 5.28

      I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
      And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

    • #20239

      Igglepud
      Participant

      The Launchpad was made specifically for Ableton Live. A brain may or may not work, but even if it did would be far inferior. The way it interacts with the Live software is amazing. You can literally run an entire live show (loops, recording, multi tracking, light shows, all sorts of craziness) on the Launchpad with the software.

      MY ROCK IS FIERCE!!!

  • #20228

    Igglepud
    Participant

    Worked on “Back in Black” per student request, played an hour of EWI. Chess tournament took up most of my day.

     

    MY ROCK IS FIERCE!!!

  • #20240

    Igglepud
    Participant

    Jammed with a friend today on my EWI. It was a rocky start until she told me to just tell her what to do. So I did. She played the chords I wanted to a beat I could get into and we made some actual music. I had to leave after about 20 minutes, but it was a blast. Looking forward to more.

    Played some more Back in Black when I got home.

    MY ROCK IS FIERCE!!!

  • #20283

    Igglepud
    Participant

    Crazy Train

    Gold on the Ceiling

    Purple Haze

    Am jamming

    Dm chord progressions

    MoP solo riff

     

     

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  • #20310

    Igglepud
    Participant

    Worked a bit on finger picking and chords. Spent most of my time today reinstalling Ableton Live and messing with it. Here’s the result:

    https://m.youtube.com/?rdm=2f5u083bs&client=mv-google#/watch?v=YLWorgiVfYk

    That started with traditional brass and strings, then I went off the deep end.

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    • #20349

      superblonde
      Keymaster

      the youtube video didnt embed with proper link, I think it should be http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLWorgiVfYk

      yea that is off the deep end LOL
      yet strangely cool…

      I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
      And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

    • #20363

      Igglepud
      Participant

      I’ve noticed that happens a lot when I post from my phone. I think I’m getting mobile links that don’t translate right. Most of these techno things (or whatever they are) I write as what I think could be video game backing.

      MY ROCK IS FIERCE!!!

  • #20348

    Igglepud
    Participant

    Worked a bit on chords and “Rock You Like A Hurricane”. Mainly focused on developing a IV V I lead line using Am pentatonic and hitting the root note on the same beat as the “chord change” (no actual chords were used for this). Read online about what venues want from a band.

    MY ROCK IS FIERCE!!!

  • #20450

    Igglepud
    Participant

    Basketball game Friday. Eye of the Tiger and the Rocky theme came off well. Didn’t do much the last two days since I’m sick.

     

    Also, no issues with my arm after the game. Might finally be completely healed.

    MY ROCK IS FIERCE!!!

  • #20498

    Igglepud
    Participant

    Mainly worked on Pink Floyd.

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  • #20519

    Igglepud
    Participant

    I’m not posting anything else about my elbow being better. I played on and off all day yesterday and am paying for it today. However, I can now play Another Brick in the Wall Pt. 2 all the way through, including an improv solo. Given time, the solo should be less improv.

    MY ROCK IS FIERCE!!!

  • #20560

    Igglepud
    Participant

    Mainly worked on Pink Floyd and connecting the pentatonic positions the last few days.

    MY ROCK IS FIERCE!!!

  • #20604

    Igglepud
    Participant

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  • #20660

    Igglepud
    Participant

    Worked on Super Mario brothers theme, Star Wars theme, Star Spangled Banner, and some acoustic songs from my playlist. The few days have mainly been keeping my skills from deteriorating. I still hate grad school.

    MY ROCK IS FIERCE!!!

  • #20665

    Igglepud
    Participant

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  • #20683

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Can you post a quickie video of your Trio noodling? Wondering how its bass & drums sound for metal tones..

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

    • #20690

      Igglepud
      Participant

      That’s a tall order! Here’s the only recording I’ve made with it. I’ll try and get something heavier this week. I can confirm that it knows when it’s plugged into a PA instead of an amp and changes the EQ accordingly. I’m still figuring out how to best use it live.

      MY ROCK IS FIERCE!!!

  • #20698

    Igglepud
    Participant

    Worked on the main theme for “The Legend of Zelda”

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  • #20727

    Igglepud
    Participant

    Lots and lots and lots of Zelda…jammed around a bit on my Marshal. It’s really weird how where I stand affects what I hear come out of that thing.

    MY ROCK IS FIERCE!!!

  • #20812

    Igglepud
    Participant

    Worked this week on The Wall, Zelda, Kefka’s Theme, Final Fantasy Fanfare, and other video game music. Challenging (especially Kefka) but fun.

    MY ROCK IS FIERCE!!!

  • #20826

    Igglepud
    Participant

    Played Zelda, Kefka intro, Mii song, and FF Fanfare for a few people. Most just seemed surprised that I learned “useless” songs on guitar. The Mii song gets the best reaction. They know it’s Nintendo but nobody knows what. Mario Brothers is well received but I did not touch it the last week.

    MY ROCK IS FIERCE!!!

  • #20827

    Igglepud
    Participant

    Oh, and last Saturday I was elected president of Chess in the state of Kansas.

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  • #20994

    Igglepud
    Participant

    Made some things with my launchpad. I need to post them.

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