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  • #1123

    superblonde
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    I wanna rock! Rock! Rock! Rock! Rock!

    Well that’s the word for today.

    Also, millennials are more likely to want creative jobs compared to their predecessors at the same age, according to the white house report oct 2014.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

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  • #1129

    ShockwavE
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    Interesting that info is, hmmmmmm?

    A diamond is simply coal that stuck to its job.

  • #1131

    Doug Marks
    Keymaster

    Yeah, that’s about right. I’m a baby boomer and I like to keep things interesting. I think that I’ve done a very good job of that. Don’t you?

    Metal Method Guitar Instructor

  • #1141

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Yea not to mention that “See Results” part. LOL – good thing about that.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #1562

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Earlier this year around the time when I was taking the songwriting class, I wrote lyrics to four songs, all of them turned out to be about Ben Bernanke.  Can you tell what’s been on my mind this year ;-D  In related news the Fed has finally decided this week to end stimulus.

    Gene Simmons has a remedy for the nation according to a recent video interview.   Not to get political here, just more for entertainment value 😀

    Rock legend Gene Simmons stopped by Yahoo Finance recently to promote his new book Me, Inc. The book is focused on how Simmons became a successful businessman. He also spoke about how having more business minded professionals in Congress can fix a broken Washington.   http://finance.yahoo.com/news/gene-simmons-knows-how-to-fix-washington–dc-141541867.html
    “The only thing we need to do is to stop electing politicians and get business people into government,” Simmons says. For him the only issues that should matter are the economy and safety.
    “All the hoopla about gay rights or whether or not you love farm animals and I don’t – it’s like live and let live. That’s really not an issue…Get businessmen into government. Elect me as the beneficient [sic] dictator,” he says. “I would ravage this economy and stop all kinds of stupid political spending..well, don’t get me started.”

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #1687

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Here is an interesting perspective on creativity from a business-finance blogger-author big-talker-guy.   He suggests this.

    And finally, write down 10-20 bad ideas a day. Or good ideas. It doesn’t matter. After exercising my idea muscle for six months, I felt like an idea machine. It was like a super power that just wouldn’t stop.

    I wonder if it works for music.  I guess it does.  Treat creativity like a muscle and exercise it every day?  I suppose an audience has to be in there somewhere, to evaluate the musical ideas.  Honest audiences are hard to find, I think.   (Otherwise how could MetallicA have ever released their 7th album.)   It’s possible to evaluate one’s own ideas but only after forgetting about them, so the saying goes, amongst writers anyway.   I wonder if it’s really about exercising the ability to turn off self-censorship (related to self-criticism), too.

     

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #1691

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Whoa, did everyone see Dan Mumm’s kickstarter offers.  This one level seems to be a pretty hefty reward.  It’s like a lifetime subscription to metal.

     

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

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  • #1721

    superblonde
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    Sebastian Bach’s advice to the up & coming:

    “Make a youtube channel!  Get a youtube channel.  When I meet a musician and I’m interested in him being in my band and I say, What’s your youtube page, and he says ‘I don’t have one’ I’m like WTF! How can you not have one?  It’s an easy way to get in everybody’s living room.”

     


    SEBASTIAN BACH Rocks INDIEPOWER!

     

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

    • #1725

      metalj
      Participant

      I perfer soundcloud because i’m too ugly for youtube.

      Jay aka the letter J

    • #1727

      superblonde
      Keymaster

      Sure seems like there’s a lot of grungy looking guitarist rockstars in the world so that might mean you’ve got a leg up ;-D

      I don’t have a youtube channel either..  Can’t fault the advice though.  I’ll grudgingly make one eventually.  Soundcloud or other alternatives are great except the world viewing audience is on youtube (including myself) and clicking on the “recommended” videos that pop up.

       

      I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
      And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

    • #1949

      metalj
      Participant

      I do have a youtube channel but i use it to subscribe to other youtube channels which is amazing. Instead of hunting down all the channels you just subscribe and check your subscription page and they’re in a list just waiting for you. I heart youtube.

      Jay aka the letter J

  • #1724

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Related interview with Dave “Snake” Sabo.  Great songwriter..  tho lemme tell ya..

    http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/skid-rows-dave-snake-sabo-music-isnt-as-important-as-it-once-was/

    Sabo said: “It’s sad to say, though, but I think that music isn’t as important as it once was. Not to me, and not to us, obviously — this is what we do — but it just seems like it’s taken… I hate to say a ‘backseat,’ but a less prominent role in the fabric of people’s lives.”

    Asked what he thinks has taken the place of music in people’s lives, Sabo said: “Technology. [It’s] sensory overload. Software engineers are the new rock stars. I mean, you come up with a great app [and] you’re a superstar. And that’s just the way the world is turning right now.

     LOL..  Software engineers do not get fans congratulating them with “Wow, you changed my life,”  and technology is the absolute polar opposite of “sexy”.  If you’re lucky at best you might get some uber nerd with snot on his sleeve and button-up shirt caught in his fly bugging you about your opinion on some three letter acronym that no one else cares about while coughing foul breath in your face.  No exaggeration!  (OK well maybe Ozzy gets that too. LOL! Heyyyy man, what is N.I.B.??)   The only autographs signed are for the IRS..

    Humorous point of view though 😀

     

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #1940

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Check out what came in the mail!

    Yes some people still buy CD’s.

     

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

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  • #2417

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    OMG OMG .. I am so excited, check it out …

     

    Tickets for Helmet on New year’s eve in Hollywood!!    Rock on!

     

     

    So, I was supposed to be sipping cold beverages on the sunny beaches of Mexico right about now.. and all thru January..  except.. I missed my guitar so much, I came back!  (Is that a bad sign?  Hah)

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

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  • #2424

    superblonde
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    Reviewing the box positions I found that I liked diagrams made by this guy “houseguitarshop”, they’re nice

     

    http://www.squier-talk.com/forum/music-theory-tab-such/9020-5-positions-guitar-fret-board.html

     

     

     

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

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  • #2429

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Reviewing the box positions I found that I liked diagrams made by this guy “houseguitarshop”, they’re nice http://www.squier-talk.com/forum/music-theory-tab-such/9020-5-positions-guitar-fret-board.html

     

    One last one

     

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

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  • #2756

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    One more day til NYE !  So excited to see these guys ..

     

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #3375

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Every once in a while I have been scanning craigslist to see if there’s peeps in my area who might want to play together.  That has been in Doug’s newsletters for some time as a recommendation.  I ran across one post today that had the following ‘requirements’ for joining a local band

    Must be able to enjoy some cold beers with the bros a few times a week.

    Uh, fail.  Bro?

     

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #3377

    metalj
    Participant

    Sounds good to me. Alot of people here are anti hard rock/metal i could use a beer.

    Jay aka the letter J

  • #3378

    safetyblitz
    Participant

    Uh, fail. Bro?

    Hey, putting that in their ad helped you avoid wasting your time and their’s, so it looks like a win-win to me. 😉

  • #3379

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Ha, LOL.  Next thing ya know after a few beers the bro‘s are telling you a story about how they got into a bar fight and about how one time they stole a car and they don’t do ecstasy anymore but they used to do it five times a week.  Hmm.  Uh, not that there’s anything wrong with that apparently.  Geezer Butler of Black Sabbath was arrested yesterday for a drunken fight, “public intoxication and vandalism”, in an upscale campground resort.  The dude is 65 years old and still thinks it’s cool?

    “argument escalated into “a physical confrontation”, resulting in an individual being struck and a window being broken.”     http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-31039634

    ..Edit.. Now if the band advert had said, “Must be able to enjoy chatting up chicks a few times a week.” I’d be all over that 😀

    On a different topic, here’s Flea.

    Flea Bass Secrets

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #3505

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Perhaps musicians gravitate to playing instruments based on their own voice range.   The alto sax and tenor sax are very similar instruments and both guys and girls play these in jazz, alto being more bright or edgy sounding and tenor being more deep or thick sounding.  Yet guys eventually settle more often on playing tenor after a while.. maybe because it matches their own listening preference? Which happens to be similar to their own vocal range.

    The differences between the Alto saxophone and the Tenor saxophone.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #3807

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    A bit of random news, I might be in the new AC/DC music video! I saw a posting on one of the heavy metal sites looking for extras to sign up.. so I did.. and got the invite.. to meet at the Cemetery in West Hollywood.. is that rock’n’roll or what!

    You’ve been selected to appear in AC/DC’s new music video on Tuesday, February 10th. NOTE: THIS IS NOT A TICKET. Please complete your ticket registration to confirm that you will be able to attend. All guests MUST have a valid ticket to be admitted into the shoot. Your ticket is non-transferable and, due to the short turn around time, must be claimed by Monday Feburary 10th at 11:59pm PST. Any unclaimed tickets by 11:59pm will be reassigned to another entrant.

    By completing registration, you confirm that you will be able to be at Hollywood Forever Cemetary at 6000 Santa Monica Boulevard no later than 3pm PST on February 10th. Busses will be on site to take fans to the shoot location by 4pm. Please be prepared to be at the shoot until 9pm.

    I know that music videos arent exactly popular anymore. At least I hope to see AC/DC play live, close up on a small stage, that will make the trip worthwhile.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #3840

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    I was in the AC/DC video for Rock the Blues Away! It was super fun and amazing. A crowd of people met at the Hollywood Cemetery. There was some paperwork to fill out as an extra, you know, selling our souls to the corporate entity. A photo of the paperwork is attached. One guy wore an ac/dc boy’s outfit. A couple people had devil horns (just seen on the grammy’s the other night). Everyone was well taken care of by the crew. I asked if they’d have any food for the extras, the crew guy said, probably not. The crowd were all demographics.. even all ages, mostly older. Then we got into buses to get shuttled to the shooting location. One guy on the bus was telling a crazy story that he flew all the way from Mexico to Hollywood just that morning in order to be in the video, all the emails and RSVP’s were sent out only the day before, so he bought his plane ticket the night before and flew in the earliest flight in the morning and quit his job so he would have the time off, all to be in this video with AC/DC! I’m glad I only had to drive hours thru LA traffic 😀 We shuttled around the corner to the studio set, a dive bar as a small club.

    Small spotlights were great in all corners of the club and gave it lots of character. One big crane camera and a couple steadycams and two huge cameras on mounts. Monitors in the back to watch live feed. We were directed for what to do and where to stand. It was hotter than texas in that club, and the air con was turned off for the video shoot. Plus the fog machine was going. I picked a spot on the set that would get me in the video and look like I was a crazed metalhead, up on some side seats of the club. Everyone was sweating within minutes. AC/DC came in and everyone went wild and they played music and I rocked out, like going nuts. After the end of the track, the band left. I guess the director reviewed the video from that take, because he came over and told me to not be so wild in front of one of the lights or my face would “pop out” too much in the video. LOL So rather than tone down I decided to move to the other side of the set. The producer’s goal was to spread people around the set to make it look like a crazy packed crowd of metalheads, without actually having to pack a huge crowd into the tiny set. It was already pretty crowded and as hot as a sauna. The producer reminded everyone not to take any photos or video on cell phones etc.. he said ACDC would come out later for a meet & greet and then take as many photos as you like..

    This is an image of the set that someone posted to a metal site, it’s not mine and already public, so I won’t get in trouble 😀
    http://assets.blabbermouth.net/media/acdcrockthebluesvidshoot_638.jpg

    One side of the set was a liquor bar so I went over there and hopped up on the bar. I figured I would rock out on the bar, but a security guy told me to get down. Later the producer came back to give us more directions on where to stand and so forth. So I waved my hand in the air until I got his attention and shouted “eh! can I get up on the bar?!” and he said sure, just make sure to be careful and not kill yourself or he would get sued. 😀 All right! The next several takes, I am freakin out like Beavis himself on the bar. For the next take the producer told several people to get up on the bar too..

    After several of these takes.. which were pretty exhausting being so hot in there and jumping around like crazy, then AC/DC came out! People went nuts! They were signing people’s shirts and hats and fliers and ticket stubs.. taking photos.. everyone was going completely wild for it. As a thank you for the hard work, Brian Johnson gets on the mic and says, “pizza and beer for everyone!!” LOL right on man. I was starving. The producer suddenly got anxious and radio’ed on his walkie talkie probably saying, “oh eff, somebody get on the phone and get food for 200 people, right now!” LOL

    There were two more takes where they moved the cameras on stage, without the band, to shoot the crowd, they played the track and directed everyone to go absolutely nutso, which we did, at least, I gave it my headbanging all.

    Here is a youtube video that someone else posted (not me) of part of the video shoot, ha, I think this guy was right in front of me LOL


    AC/DC Recording of “Rock The Blues Away” New Vídeo

    I did take my own video but I won’t post it until after the video is released.. you know, honor the intellectual property contract. It’s the least I could do for the chance to be in the video..

    The whole thing wrapped up around 6pm then we went around and they had food delivered. Panera Bread lunch boxes (the standard.. sandwich, cookie, chips). When I get the Panera bread lunch boxes in a corporate office, man I raise a effing storm to whoever ordered them, I hate these Panera bread lunch boxes, even their “healthy veggie” is not vegan, it’s got a bunch of hidden dairy and eggs in the bread and the sandwich is covered in feta, yet the gullible front desk girls think “oh wow, Panera bread is so trendy and hip and healthy, everyone will love it!”. NOT. It’s yuck. Veggie Grill is better. This time it was a bonus though, so cant complain too much, and in fact they ordered a huge quantity so people were taking two each and still there was more. So, got to chill with a bunch of rock fans while chowing down on some Paramount catered food and they shuttled everyone back to the Cemetery where everyone parked.

    By this time it was 6:00pm and in hollywood traffic that means: ya ain’t going nowhere. So I considered my options and… since I was in Hollywood anyway.. I went to a show at the Roxy which I had not yet been to. There turned out to be a Black Sabbath tribute band but done as jazz fusion. They were OK. Brown Sabbath, a jazz fusion band from Texas. Can you imagine Black Sabbath with a horn section? Now you can! They are called Brown Sabbath because the jazz fusion band is usually called Brown Out, so when they play a Black Sabbath tribute, they call themselves Brown Sabbath. The most amazing thing about this show? There were girls. Young girls. Even real Black Sabbath shows don’t have that. Overall I thought it was missing something, it didn’t have that “huge distorted mind bending guitar” sound. Cool show though.


    Brownout Presents: Brown Sabbath – N.I.B. (Live on KEXP)

    By the time they played their encore I was pretty wiped out.. a guy can only rock so hard in a single day, LOL 😀

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

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  • #3883

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    I figure I’ll keep collecting interview snips here that I feel are interesting.

    Alice Cooper has a great quote in an interview this week (personally I haven’t followed his music, but I know that “we’re not worthy! we’re not worthy!”) .. talking about recruiting his new guitarist Nita Strauss formerly of Iron Maidens and the difference between playing and performing – “we know you can play. .. you’ve gotta take over the front.. run up to the front and just kill, and then drop back.”

    He continued: “Knowing I was gonna do the MÖTLEY CRÜE run, I said, ‘I need more of a shredder.’ I’ve already got two great rock and roll guitar players. I said, ‘But I do need a shredder.’ And I heard her play, and I went, ‘That’s the girl right there.’ She had the right spirit. She got on stage and she wanted to play and she wanted to perform, and I looked at her, and I said, ‘That’s our girl right there.’ And she just nails it every night… She was a natural.”

    Cooper added: “Normally, I have to take somebody that’s been in other bands and I have to say, ‘Okay, now it’s Alice Cooper… I know you can play. Now you’ve gotta perform. It’s not just standing up there and playing; we know you can play. Now I need for you… When I come back, you’ve gotta take over the front, and that means you’ve gotta sell this. And I have to usually tell that to… With her? She was there. As soon as she got her spot, she would run up to the front and just kill, and then drop back. And I said, ‘Okay. All right. So I don’t have to teach you that. You already know that.’ [Laughs]”

    http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/alice-cooper-on-his-new-guitarist-nita-strauss-she-just-nails-it-every-night/

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #4023

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Godsmack talks about their song writing process at 8:00 of this interview. (I’m not a Godsmack fan, not sure why, their music sounds too poppy to me somehow?)


    Godsmack Interview

    And about their beat-the-pavement early days.. it’s harder today? Or maybe just different?

    On GODSMACK’s formation:
    “We started… It was funny, ’cause Sully [Erna, vocals/guitar] had called me up. He was a drummer. He played in a thrash band. And he said he wanted to sing and play punk. And I kind of laughed at him. And then a couple of months later, we [got] together with a guitar player. It wasn’t punk; we were just making music. He was on the drums. When we couldn’t really find a singer, he goes, ‘I’m gonna make a try at this.’ So that’s how we started. We just started writing and writing, and we got better and better and better, and got to a point where we, basically, put the CD out on our own. We did a bunch of showcases. None of the record labels showed up. We were selling the CD out of the trunk. And probably about nine months later, it was funny, we were at [a restaurant] with all the labels at this big room, and we got signed. We already signed, but other labels still wanted to come out and try to talk us out of it and try to [convince] us to jump on with them. But we kind of laughed at it. It was, like, ‘You missed the boat.’ And the rest is history. The first record sold, like, five million records, and we’ve been going ever since. We got signed in May 1998.”
    On how GODSMACK managed to get the attention of record labels early on:
    “Man, we just never would give up. We started our own scene. We’d go to Boston and nobody was there. And then we just started playing around the area. And we kept on playing certain clubs within a half hour from Boston and we just kept on pounding it. We were a really good live band, and people started showing up, and more people showing up. And a [radio] DJ, Rocco, from WAAF, started playing us on the radio, and that helped. It was us just pounding it and being persistent. There was another band, too, that you probably know of, STAIND. They were from Springfield, Massachusetts, about two hours away from us, and what we would do with them is we’d go in their area and back them up, and then they’d come in our area and back us up. So we’d be playing in packed houses all over the place before we got signed, so at least six months or so. So we built our own scene. That’s pretty much how we did it. I feel bad now, ’cause the bands that are upcoming now, it’s even worse. All the record labels are not signing rock bands anymore, and everything’s on YouTube and you’ve gotta go through all that social-media stuff. We did it just meat-and-potato type — just go out there and play.”
    http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/godsmacks-robbie-merrill-feels-bad-for-rock-bands-that-are-starting-out-today/

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #6801

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    This past week there was a little city summer festival in the park with some local area bands. I caught a few songs from one of the bands, a 3 piece of young guys just out of high school, kind of rock grunge, certainly dressed grunge, lead guitarist was also the singer. Later on after their show I saw them hanging around their equipment so had a short chat. The lead guitarist admitted he gives guitar instruction locally so naturally I asked him the regular annoying questions: how much do you or did you practice, do you run into students who want to jam. “OH I dont really practice” he said. “Well I used to practice like an hour or two a day, I’d just come home from school and kick it around a little. But now I don’t really practice, I just play with these guys.” He says he teaches mainly adults in the area.. oddly none of them are interested in getting together with others to play. (!! That is completely crazy.) I wasn’t really interested in signing up for his instructional services although I’m sure he might have been hoping for that. I wonder what it is that his students believe they are doing with their money and time investment, if they are not looking at some point to meet up to play with others. I always figured that was the whole point of learning music, to get the musical experience?

    I changed my practice method recently, it involves very slow bpm, a timer, and it is really painful. It turns my brain to mush. I hope it gets me over some plateau I seem to be at. So hearing him say, “I didn’t really ever practice that much,” was kind of funny. It is like the confusion of cognitive dissonance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance The number of times I’ve heard guitarists say, “Oh I don’t practice that much” is legendary, perhaps almost as legendary as hearing colleagues brag “I worked over 90 hours this week” – neither of which likely to be facts. Curiously though with all the continual talk about practice, I haven’t seen much hard data other than my own graphs which are spotty data and amateur anyway. It’s like a young Lance Armstrong saying “Oh I never really rode bikes that much” – huh? – then goes on to win, win, win (with the public to find out much later that it was pharmaceutical-enabled winning).

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #7177

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Had my first band experience yesterday! It was really cool:


    Rock Band Recital Fail

    Nah it wasn’t that LOL 😀 I found a local music school that specializes in teaching for performance. Definitely the majority are kids but they have a small adult band group. Now I’ve found there are several music schools like this around in different cities, it takes some looking for them, they’re out there. The cost I have seen from the two (or three? I cant tell they all have similar forgettable names) schools locally was between $200-$300 per month for weekly lesson and instructed band rehearsal + quarterly/monthly gig performance setup (+ use of their equipment I suppose).

    Here is the set list the adult band is playing right now. The drummer is a mom and she sings Barracuda, its pretty cool 😀 The bassist is her husband. They said they got happily dragged into the adult band when their younger kids were taking guitar and keyboard lessons. Their son was in the rehearsal singing Renegades of Funk. What a cool family!


    Psycho Killer – Talking Heads
    Come Together – Beatles
    Barracuda – Heart
    Hit Me with Your Best Shot – Pat Benatar
    Just a Girl – No Doubt
    Let the Good Times Roll – The Cars
    Renegades of Funk – Rage Against the Machine
    Breed – Nirvana
    Peace Frog – The Doors
    Last Dance with Mary Jane – Tom Petty
    Cocaine – Clapton
    Cinnamon Girl – Neil Young

    It helped that I had learned Come Together earlier this year in my own set list. And Peace Frog is one of my favorite songs ever so I didnt have any problem singing background. So in general it looks like the group is on the same page as I would be on. The instructor got excited when I mentioned I would want to bring in my own material. So far posting to craigslist and vaguely asking around has not really gone anywhere in terms of finding people to jam with. I also feel like I need more direct instruction first anyway for the live playing aspect.

    It was fun I’d recommend anyone try it out 😀

    The local craigslist had a quirky ad looking for guitarists ummmm.. not qualified 😮

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

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  • #7184

    grondak
    Participant

    Break a leg with the adult band, Superblonde! It sounds like a ton of fun for you and the others!  let us know how it goes, sir?

    G

    Metal Method is helping me across the board!

  • #7201

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Wow thanks. Not sure how their program is set up.. the drummer mentioned she only took lessons for a month (never before knowing how to play drums) and then was suddenly performing.. My thought is, hm, how am I going to get some videos with good sound without a lot of fiddling around, so that I can review my general progress or critique myself.

    Different topic, Here’s a great snip from a recent MAB interview about collaborating with musicians today and how he records. It’s amazing to be able to set up the same environment as the top shredder in the world right!

    Guitar.com: So how did you work with this Indian band you said you recorded some tracks for? Do you just send some Pro Tools files back and forth?

    Batio: Yeah. It doesn’t have to be Pro Tools. It can be anything. It’s a wav file. It’s funny because everybody uses Macs, but the standard is wav — that’s Windows Audio Video. That’s what it stands for. Windows created the wav file.

    The Pro Tools type file never caught on. Wav is the universal file. So whatever software a person has — whether it’s Pro Tools, or Reaper, or Sonar, or whether they use a Mac or Windows — it doesn’t really matter. We send wav files back and forth. They’re hi-resolution, way higher than CD quality. And what I ask for is that they mix a stereo version of the track. If they have a click-track they send it separately. Sometimes that’s not necessary. And then it will mark from like, three-minutes-twenty-five-seconds to four-minutes-two-seconds, and that’s where I’m supposed to play the solo.

    And then I record my solo. I create a full-length track so it’s measured exactly, and I email it back to them. They just drop it in whatever system they use, and it’s good to go. It’s so much fun.

    It’s how we did Shred Force One because George Lynch is too busy to fly to Chicago. To get Craig Goldy, to get Todd — all these people. So everyone has their own studio, or they have a friend who has a studio, and we just move files back and forth. They do their part and send it back, and we give it to the engineer for the master track. It’s awesome. I could not have done it without the technology today.

    I mean, Michael Wilton — he’s busy. And George Lynch is busy. So we sent them the tracks, and they did it on their own time, and just sent it back. It’s great. And they’re such top pros. George Lynch actually sent six different tracks back, because he had different mics placed in different areas of the room, so he had close mics, medium mics. Everything was labeled meticulously, and his engineer deferred to us, but told us what they thought the best mic configuration was, which should be the major mics featured. And our engineer took his advice, and it sounded great.

    Guitar.com: Very cool. So what do you use in your studio at home?

    Batio: I have a really nice studio. I have Pro Tools, but I don’t need it. I’ve learned in my life — one of the secrets of my success — is I know what I’m good at, and I know what I’m not good at. I’m a good tracking engineer, because I understand guitars. But I actually have my engineer, who mixes all my records, come to my studio, and mic up my amps. I like him to do it.

    We set the tone of the rhythm tracks together, because I like my rhythm sound to be a lot different than my lead tone. And we scoop the mids [lower the mid EQs] so I have plenty of mids I can use on leads. And then I use a program called Reaper. It’s not expensive software, but it’s really stable. I use it on my MacBook. I’ve got a top of the line Mac. I’ve got four one-terabyte drives. I’ve got it fully loaded with a ton of gigs of memory, and a high-end video card, and audio stuff.

    But I don’t mix anything. I only track guitars and bass and keyboards if I play keys there — which I play on all my albums. And so anything I play in my studio, I track there. And Reaper is really cool because I do have effects there, but I record dry. I don’t like a lot of effects. I don’t use a lot of effects live. I record completely dry in the studio. With nothing. Nothing. No reverb, no delay. I’m used to it. I hear my sound better. I hear the clarity. I know when I pinch a harmonic I can hear the tuning. I get it to sound the way I want. And Reaper is so simple to use, it’s super simple — way easier to use than Pro Tools. It’s like and old school cassette deck, you know: press record, play.

    And then I just turn over the tracks to my engineer, who has the full-blown Pro Tools HD setup. He’s got every plug-in known to man. And then he mixes. If we bring in a drummer it will be done at his studio. If we bring in a vocalist, it will be done with him. But all the guitars and bass and keys, I do at my studio. https://www.guitar.com/articles/michael-angelo-batio-interview-still-shreddin

    To be super technically picky, the wav file format actually started as the riff file format which was developed by Amiga and Apple and popularized, then microsoft ripped it off and globalized it which is basically what microsoft is good at doing. So take that, microsoft 😛 LOL

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #9188

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    I got introduced to a vocalist who invited me to be her guitarist at an annual local-band music festival out in the desert and insists “we can do it!” Yea cool I’m all for that lets play something, presuming I can play it. I guess she has done some part time studio work for years and wants to start performing live but has had a hard time finding players. This desert indie festival supposedly was underground in the 90s and got massively popular then went defunct and is now starting up again. So playing live sounds maybe okay until she sends me a list of 24 classic rock songs to learn (oh, only 24?), of course I recognize the songs from radio but I can’t play them yet. Which also may be okay.. because it’s just a bunch of local cats jamming in the mountains.. until she says the date of the festival is the end of October. Uh, that is this month. What. No pressure or anything. I guess the types of dudes she is used to playing with in the studio have been jamming in their garages since age 14 and just picked stuff up by rote and more likely actually lived thru those classic rock days. anyway so I guess she must be crazy.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #9189

    Igglepud
    Participant

    Sounds like you’ve got some work to do!

    MY ROCK IS FIERCE!!!

  • #9196

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    She said “Dont worry I’ll send you all the song sheets it will make it so much easier!”

    Today I got several very large and very fuzzy cell phone pics in my email that are photos taken from her music binder of a copy of a copy of a copy of what is basically the ‘ultimate guitar’ chord-lyric sheet with the pencil markups and cross-outs from the copy of a copy of a copy’s original printout. *FACEPALM*

    omg

    Tangentially I was taking a few guitar lessons locally recently to learn songs better and got so fed up with them that I cancelled them. During the instructor’s intro lesson he said “I don’t use tabs” and the $50 lesson is forty five minutes of him doing a demo of the song, me trying to follow and flail around, him scribbling a few fret positions notes on tab paper, and sending me on my way. *FACEPALM* If I hadn’t made my own audio recordings of these lessons it would have been worse than burning money because it would have also burned my time too. After I cancelled these lessons the guitar store sent me a survey form asking me to rate the quality of the lessons. I just shrugged it off and made a rating. Two days later I get an email from the office manager asking why the low score and a phone call. Bah. bueller? bueller?

    The song lessons on youtube that I really like are from this guy MunsonGuitarSongs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gzo5bDIPdc (and his other channels like MunsonMusic https://www.youtube.com/user/MunsonMusicLive or etc) he crams a ton of info into short videos, gives all the chord shapes and notes and overlays tab where appropriate, gives strum patterns, doesn’t joke around with nonsense fluff, and calls out each chord as he is playing (tho his video/audio quality is unfortunately not pro). He even calls out the strum patterns and explains bass notes. Don’t want to listen to him just read the onscreen tab, or, if onscreen tab is confusing then listen to his explanation. That is a guy I would pay for lessons. The biggest thing missing is a backing track to practice to and a melody part. And of course the simple theory like chord progression. I just would love to buy that kind of lesson!

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #9211

    AlleyCatRocker1980s
    Participant

    I like this!

    Practicing Guitar

  • #9433

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Its been time to pick a band name of this group with drummer & co that I have been rehearsing with, we started complaining to each other about it a couple months ago, “lets everybody come with 5 band names next week and decide” and that week turned into 4 or 5 weeks.. finally I came with a whole sheet of band names that I had thought up, all sounding like they relate to rock music (especially with ‘rock’ in the name), since I like it when a band name reflects the music, that way you know what you’re gonna get if you see them advertised! Anyway I came with like 60-70 potential names and only the drummer had come up with another 1. (Quite surprising to me then again I guess I am a weirdo.) Thru short process of elimination, narrowed down the list of mine and the one other,

    SD&R
    Rockachica
    Rockaloco
    Raspberry Rocktini
    Rock Paper Schism
    Stolen Notes
    The Fermented
    Groovin Up Slowly

    then I checked to see which were available by googling around (turns out Stolen Notes is a solid celtic band in the UK so that one is out).
    finally had a anonymous vote, the winner is our new band name.. SD&R

    “what’s it stand for?” they kept asking. oh, ;-D hah “that’s part of the mystery”
    here’s a hint though ;-D

    1. S,
    2. D,
    and
    3. R&R

    I’d say though, Rock Paper Schism would be a super hot name for a punk or emo band and The Fermented would be a super name for a rockabilly or psychobilly band.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #9762

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    A couple things I have learned after playing with others recently. and I am very surprised!

    Some of these mates have been playing for a decade or more. yet..

    – no one practices using a metronome or drum backing and if they do, it is not a usual thing (not even the drummer).  contrast this with the tips I have learned here & from reading guitar rags years ago, from Steve Vai articles, Bumblefoot articles etc, that specifically say..  use a friggin metronome whenever possible, this is obvious because I can tell (from the recordings mentioned below) that the tempo is varying in the songs and it should not be (like, chorus too fast, verse too slow, that kind of thing)

    – no one prepares materials ahead of time.   I show up with an mp3 player loaded with tracks in the correct practice order, each one has the normal album version and a reaper slo-downer version (70% or 80% speeds) and the adapter cable to hook into various equipment like stereo or amp.  If not for my prep, we’d be straining to listen to someone’s cell phone speaker playing a random youtube video (wtf?).   I show up with new printouts of song sheets that I made in word documents which document (duh) the way we have decided to play the songs, everyone else is scribbling in pencil or pen over top of the previous scribbles they made two years ago, then later complaining “how did that go again, I can’t read my sheet”  (wtf?).

    – no one besides me records the practice sessions.  I show up to the next one and I’ve reviewed the previous recording several times and sometimes separate the songs into separate ‘rehearsal practice’ tracks to play along to.  I’m the only one who does this!  Since I reviewed the previous recording, all the little details that I didn’t have time to write down on paper, I’ve written down or memorized.  Meanwhile others are saying “how do we do the ending?” which is the same thing discussed the previous week and argued about and ‘finally decided let’s do it this way’ (which is then subsequently forgotten)

    – back to the metronome or drum track, I’m the only one who has written down the BPM for the songs as we are playing them (which is often slower than the original track) and subsequent practices are this back-and-forth with “no let’s start again that was too fast” or “wait stop playing this is too slow let’s speed it up”.

    – they don’t seem to practice solo

    – they decide on a change (maybe because of a private lesson elsewhere) which is cool but then don’t bring anything in to explain what the changes are, for example the drummer who came up with a different ending that is like 16 measures longer, that is cool, but how can I practice against that change without a recording of it first or at all? because the original artist track doesn’t do it that way, and sorry I can’t pick it up in a ten second explanation “it goes like this bah bah bom bom ba then ..”.  I ask for a recording from their solo practice, “uhh I’ve tried that but I don’t know how”  (you have an iPhone right? just use that!) “Uhh I tried but it didn’t sound good”  …  wtf?

    – “I don’t know how that part goes”  .. ok well did you get the pdf that I emailed from the tab that I went out and *bought* last week in prep for this practice? the one that I took extra time to specially format into a readable email?    “uhhh”  .. you know the pdf that I emailed?   “Umm I didn’t get that, ah, I don’t know how to get those, I’ll have to ask my friend to help me print it out.”   wtf you don’t know how to print a pdf from an email?

    this is just a couple things, I could continue with the list, probably I will later to vent, hah, I am just really surprised since at least one of these mates are very dedicated to making music and kind of want to “make it big” in some way or another, and throwing a bunch of money into it sometimes too like renting studios and stuff.   To me, a lot of these are just very simple “you must do it or you will suck forever” type things..  ?

     

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #9764

    Igglepud
    Participant

    This has been my biggest frustration as well. I feel like I’m in limbo: I’m not good enough to jam with Hendrix and Vai, but I’m more serious than the guys who want to drink and play guitar after work.

    MY ROCK IS FIERCE!!!

  • #10224

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Stop all that practicing! Get a haircut and get a real job!!


    George Thorogood And The Destroyers – Get A Haircut


    George Thorogood discusses The Beatles

    “I saw the Beatles on TV and they were the first people who looked happy! … Gimme a guitar, I want to do that for a living! That’s it right there!”

    It’s amazing about The Beatles because Lemmy has said similar things about em.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #10650

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Facepalm of the day: Berklee music had a twitter Q&A for their ‘music business foundations’ online course with the topic of online music and streaming. Of course the artist’s conundrum is, artists want the music to be heard everywhere, but not for free, and fans should somehow be encouraged to buy tracks instead of streaming for pennies. So I asked.. why don’t artists release shorter-length song versions to streaming services, thereby encouraging fans to buy the album track? It took a while but berklee answered.. ‘That’s an interesting concept and a good idea.’ ..facepalm. Let’s take Megadeth for example. One of my fave bands. Now if they had released the Peace Sells.. album in five different versions, let’s say, an extended version, a shortened faster version, a slower jamming version, a “binaurual recording live studio” version (some of these can be recorded simultaneously, in fact).. I would have purchased all five of them! Very simple, Q.E.D. Some artists used to release CDs with the first run and then later release a larger run with a new hidden track, etc. I bought both just to have that hidden track. Maybe I’m a dork but that’s just what I do as a fan. So to me, any artist complaining about streaming royalties, in this age where rendering an alternate song mix means just sitting down at a laptop for a day, or recording five seconds of a new verse line to alter the song a bit, and they could sell that fresh version to a different marketing channel and call it “(the iTunes alt. version)” or “(Spotify remix)”, just does not add up.

    One song with two completely different lyric versions over the exact same studio version, is Guns n Roses Don’t Cry. I don’t know of others offhand.. I think it’s really neat to have the different versions.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #11833

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Nobody practices like you guys & gals here.

    I met up for practice and rockin’ out with my fellow guitarist today. I started by bringing out my metronome and asking her about doing pentatonic scales for warmup. I’d already done a full hour of practice before meeting up but she hadn’t warmed up yet. I set the metronome for 40 BPM 1/8th note beats and we tried that for a couple runs on a pentatonic scale and then said OK now let’s double-time it to do 16th notes. Then I increased the tempo to 60 BPM. First, the only pentatonic scale she really knows is the “first shape everyone learns” you know, the one at 6th string 5th fret for A minor. She didn’t really know the pattern I was playing, the one at 6th string 3rd fret for A minor. She had seen it before but hadn’t practiced it much. She kind of suggested that it was just as easy to play the shape at the 5th fret instead. Then, she said she “hardly ever” (read: never) uses a metronome for practice. Then, she said: her local guitar instructor suggests “these pentatonic scales are a good warmup to do for a few minutes every day, like five minutes or so but not really much more than that”. Note this is the same pentatonic exercise that I spent doing nonstop for 60 minutes yesterday at 60-70 BPM and then later in the day did another 75 minutes at 70 BPM. She couldn’t stand doing more than about a minute of this straight and maxed out at maybe 50 BPM 16th notes and said “Naw that’s too fast. You don’t need to play that fast.” (MAB to the rescue. I said: Better to have it, and not need it, than need it, and not have it. 😀 )

    However, she is a better guitar player than I am. [For now. Muahaha! ]

    The other day I was talking to a young guitar student after a local metal cover band show. He’s probably 20. Eventually we talked about practice. He was poking fun at another music student he knew (a keyboard player)- he said: “Yea, she will do these crazy things like, she will get to a part of a song and then just repeat it, over and over.. like 200 times.. it’s ridiculous, why do that at all, it’s not even fun, she should just play the song a couple times and be done with it.” This is after just last week I looped 4 measures of a song while practicing it for at least 45 minutes straight at slowly increasing tempo’s. This guy is also a better guitarist than me. [For now. Muahaha! ] The local metal show was of a couple cover bands made up of kids aged 13-16, and all the kids would beat me soundly too. A 14 year old kid played a long Mustaine solo while jumping around on stage and others playing Pantera, Anthrax, Metallica, you name it, mostly all really well.

    Anyway- Sometimes it seems everyone here is like everyone out there. But it is not true at all. Doug’s guitar universe is like a bubble of a certain type of guitar study, in a land of very different types of practice. Although my fingers are numb from all the repetitions.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #11853

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    I ran across this interesting quote from a controversial rock music instructor.

    Paul Green agrees, “talent is a dirty word in America these days and one I bristle at. It has the effect of taking the credit for a person’s accomplishments and giving the credit to one’s genetic makeup. While it is certain that talent exists and is a big factor, I have never seen anyone achieve anything without education, diligence, and perhaps most importantly, courage. [We’re] giving kids utterly unique opportunities and a good shot at esteem … not ‘self esteem,’ which is another dirty word in my opinion, but real actual esteem…remember that?” – It’s a Hard Rock Life: On the Road http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ashley-van-buren/its-a-hard-rock-life-on-t_b_114649.html

    Paul Green is this guy:

    In Rock School, Don Argott’s documentary about a Philadelphia after-school program for young would-be rock stars, founder Paul Green comes off like a cross between Buddy Rich and an overcaffeinated junior-high basketball coach, and some moviegoers took issue with his, um, unorthodox teaching methods–which usually involve screaming, swearing, and/or slamming doors. But kids are still lining up for classes at the school’s 12 branches in the hopes of becoming the next Carlos Santana or Keith Moon, and Green gets results. The group of standout students he directs, the School of Rock All-Stars, has played more than 100 shows in grown-up venues like LA’s Knitting Factory, attended Zappanale, the world’s preeminent Frank Zappa festival (“If you can play Zappa, you can play anything,” Green says in the film), and been joined onstage by the likes of Alice Cooper, Jon Anderson, and Eddie Vedder. Two 19-member groups of All-Stars, ranging in age from 11 to 17, are currently on the road performing songs Green’s taught them: “For Those About to Rock (We Salute You),” “Purple Rain,” and the Sugar Hill Gang’s “Apache,” among others, with some Stooges thrown in for good measure. The tour’s a testament to (if not vindication of) Green’s uncompromisingly high standards. “We really try to put on a good show,” Green said in a phone interview. “So it’s not just kids playing covers.”

    Rock School (2005) – http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0436727/

    I haven’t seen this documentary, it’s on my wishlist. I found an interesting comment on IMDB about the music students in the documentary, “Where are they now?”, since the documentary is 2005 and it’s neat to see what happened:

    “Where are they now?”

    Madi Diaz apparently caused a stir at this years SXSW. She was number 6 on Paste Magazine’s top ten acts.

    From Paste magazine…

    http://www.myspace.com/madidiaz

    Acts of SXSW 2009

    Another year, another SXSW on the books. Somehow, amidst the parties, food and general chaos of 6th St., the Paste staff managed to see some music. Here are the 10 acts we were most impressed with:

    6. Madi Diaz
    Bells chimed delicately above acoustic-guitar strums in the dim light of the Driskill Hotel’s Victorian Room last friday night, the indie folk-pop of Nashville singer/songwriter Madi Diaz and her band wrapping snugly around the crowd’s eardrums. There was something so inviting about the whole scene—especially Diaz’s voice, an instrument that comforts as if a favorite blanket leftover from early childhood. Diaz first gained attention as a student in the documentary Rock School (which provided the basis for fictional Jack Black vehicle School of Rock), but has since cut her teeth at the Berklee College of Music and is now co-writing with Paste favorites like Katie Herzig, David Mead and Garrison Starr. That’s right, little Madi is all growns up, and—with new EP Ten Gun Salute—her music is maturing nicely, as well. (Steve LaBate)

    Two of the kids, Eric and Julie Slick (“We used to listen to bands like Bush and 311!”) became two-thirds of the Adrian Belew Power Trio. Julie is now a highly respected Progressive Rock/Jazz bassist with multiple albums. Eric is the drummer with the band Dr. Dog.

    CJ was in the movie Rock of Ages.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0436727/board/flat/46274529?p=1

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #12267

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Two years ago in February I picked up Metal Method. So that marks two years for me, of learning to play guitar (not counting the previous few months here and there when younger). Cool eh! I hope Doug comes out with the Virtual Reality Hologram course soon, the one where I can beam talent straight into my fingers. Tomorrow I’m playing guitar with my “Adult Band” at a community Valentines Day event (it’s advertised as a valentines dance, I asked if it was actually a Valentine Mosh… and didn’t hear back… hah). It’s not an opener timeslot thing, we are the only band playing, which surprised me. Below is the set list – I didn’t pick these since I’m not the band leader, I’m gladly playing them for fun and experience. It’s gonna go well and will be a lot of fun. Now I gotta go practice.

    01 Neil Young - Cinnamon Girl
    02 No Doubt - Just A Girl
    03 The Beatles - Come Together
    04 The White Stripes - Dead Leaves
    05 When I Come Around - Green Day
    06 Nirvana - Breed
    07 Lou Reed - Walk On The Wild Side
    08 George Thorogood - I Drink Alone
    09 Blondie - Heart of Glass Live
    10 Tom Petty - Mary Jane's Last Dance
    11 Eric Clapton - Cocaine
    12 Talking Heads - Psycho Killer
    13 Pat Benatar - Hit Me With Your Best Shot
    14 The Violent Femmes - Blister In The Sun
    15 Blind Melon - No Rain
    16 Metallica - Enter Sandman
    17 Wolfmother - Joker and the Thief

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #12270

    Sean
    Participant

    Congrats SB on your two year anniversary!
    It is amazing how well you play. Very inspiring!

    Tell me and I will forget ,show me and I'll remember, involve me and I'll understand

  • #12271

    joaopazguitar
    Participant

    Great lineup, Superblonde! (I really miss that kind of action!)

    The White Stripes, one of my favorite bands; The Violent Femmes, brings great memories .. Blondie, an old passion 🙂 !

  • #12305

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    The live event went absolutely phenomenally. At the end several people were coming up to us asking if we play parties and events and how much would it cost because they want to have us play. (I referred them to the gal who is acting as band manager.. unfortunately I dont think she will follow thru these opportunities based on what she said later) There was headbanging, oh yes, there was headbanging! It was a bit freaky at times because it’s the first event we’ve (or I’ve) played where many people were whipping out smartphones to video us on different songs (not friends or family, just random audience people).. of course since I was hamming it up a bit by headbanging while playing, and doing solos, they were videoing me (probably putting me on f—book :-/ ). Got tons of applause. My video didnt turn out tho. So I have no video of the performance to share, just multitrack audio. No idea why the camera didnt record since it seemed to be recording during setup. Ive wanted to get 2nd cam anyway as another angle, which could also be backup, so maybe that’s something for next time.. I dunno. I’ve tried asking for others to send me their videos previously and that never crystallizes.

    One neat thing I’m gonna give props to our frontman about is before we started playing Cocaine he turns around and says “Hmm maybe not a good idea to sing this word, considering where we are” (there were many preteens present) Then during the song he starts singing: “If you wanna hang out, you’ve gotta take her out, Propane!” LOL Not that you can tell because he’s a baritone, tho to be sure, I’d rather have kids going around mimicking, “yea you gotta, Propane”, rather than “yea you gotta Cocaine”.. ya know. I mean we weren’t playing in a bar, we were playing in a community center.

    You guys and gals definitely have to go for playing live if you havent already, it is tons of work but whoa, so much fun, it’s insane!

    It seems the band leader is going to try picking a bunch of easier and maybe jammable songs so we can pad our setlist out to 3 hrs, then we can play breweries that supposedly already asked if we are available to play. I guess so far he is turning these opportunities down because our set list is not long enough (they want a band for 3 hr timeslot and we only just now have 1.5 hr of songs? Something like that.).

    Ok I do have a little bit of video. On a whim I brought my cheapie $35 kindle fire “2015 generation” tablet and leaned it up against something as a quick & dirty “drum cam”. The video turned out well (I think it’s 720p, just not a great lens).. at least it worked until the tablet fell over, hah. (I didnt bring a tablet tripod setup.) Most of the songs are a great view of the floor. So there you go, the cheapest kindle fire can do 2-hr band videos. No excuses, metalheads. I just had the setting configured to save to external sd card, that’s the only thing needed to get it working. Also I had it connected to an external battery pack because it’s sucking major juice showing the screen the entire time while recording too. It ended up splitting the long recording at 3.5gig filesize or so (to avoid the sdcard 4gb limit problem). Saving to the internal memory would just max it out right away, it doesn’t have that much. The audio quality is not bad as well (mono only but does not sound clipped), considering it was right next to the drums and a guitar amp.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #12306

    vik
    Participant

    Cool stuff, glad it turned out well for you, I know you have put in some hours.

    Sounds like you got a buzz from the crowd and you are ready for more.

  • #12307

    joaopazguitar
    Participant

    That was a great report 🙂 Looking forward to some videos of the show, then!

    Now hop to the next one!

  • #12311

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    What keeps it fun as well, is not having the pressure of having to do it for profit because that would turn it into a very frustrating experience really fast. In effect I am doing “pay to play”. But that’s similar to other hobbies like if I joined the nearby rowing team where players have to join the club for a few hundred bucks a year, essentially they’re paying to paddle, and pay for gear on top of that, etc. A previous girlfriend ran races and half marathons, before that, I didn’t know that you have to pay to enter each one and the costs add up fast (sure you might get a tshirt out of it), $50 to $100 or more per event. Looked at that way, playing in a band is fun. I talked to a few local musicians this past week who seemed to be overall grumpy people, they were doing the band as their job. I’d still like to reach profitability for playing though. Then I could upgrade gear and reinvest the profit too. To that point, the idea of band members fumbling around when someone comes up and says “how much would it cost to get you to play at a party?” is.. well.. that’s just not good business. I think I’m going to order custom picks as a business card. Anyone ever make custom picks? There are several good companies out there that do it and it doesn’t cost much in large quantities. But I haven’t seen other locals doing this so I don’t know if it would work well or not (altho there’s a lot of things locals don’t seem to do.. like.. even say their band name.. I don’t get it).

    I have been thinking about what guitar goals to look towards for 2016. The main one seems to be, learning as many songs as possible (also implies, as fast as possible). It seems what separates me from being able to play more is simply not being able to join others because I don’t know the songs. And other guitarists who have been playing since age 15 or whatever, they kind of know hundreds of songs from over the years. What is neat is that I recognize so many songs, from being a fan of music and also fan of seeing any local dive bar band. I seem to know almost every classic rock song in existence, 😀 (including singing the solos, hah), probably from listening to so much radio. Just need to learn to play them.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #12315

    Sean
    Participant

    Very cool! Sounds like you are on top of the world and flying high!

    Tell me and I will forget ,show me and I'll remember, involve me and I'll understand

  • #12324

    joaopazguitar
    Participant

    What keeps it fun as well, is not having the pressure of having to do it for profit because that would turn it into a very frustrating experience really fast. In effect I am doing “pay to play”. But that’s similar to other hobbies like if I joined the nearby rowing team where players have to join the club for a few hundred bucks a year, essentially they’re paying to paddle, and pay for gear on top of that, etc. A previous girlfriend ran races and half marathons, before that, I didn’t know that you have to pay to enter each one and the costs add up fast (sure you might get a tshirt out of it), $50 to $100 or more per event. Looked at that way, playing in a band is fun. I talked to a few local musicians this past week who seemed to be overall grumpy people, they were doing the band as their job. I’d still like to reach profitability for playing though. Then I could upgrade gear and reinvest the profit too. To that point, the idea of band members fumbling around when someone comes up and says “how much would it cost to get you to play at a party?” is.. well.. that’s just not good business. I think I’m going to order custom picks as a business card. Anyone ever make custom picks? There are several good companies out there that do it and it doesn’t cost much in large quantities. But I haven’t seen other locals doing this so I don’t know if it would work well or not (altho there’s a lot of things locals don’t seem to do.. like.. even say their band name.. I don’t get it). I have been thinking about what guitar goals to look towards for 2016. The main one seems to be, learning as many songs as possible (also implies, as fast as possible). It seems what separates me from being able to play more is simply not being able to join others because I don’t know the songs. And other guitarists who have been playing since age 15 or whatever, they kind of know hundreds of songs from over the years. What is neat is that I recognize so many songs, from being a fan of music and also fan of seeing any local dive bar band. I seem to know almost every classic rock song in existence, 😀 (including singing the solos, hah), probably from listening to so much radio. Just need to learn to play them.

    Love these thiking-out-loud texts of yours, you should blog them 🙂

    About the custom picks, sounds like a great idea..! Get the band a web site, a youtube channel, try to organize your fan base – although I’m not really a fan of social networking these days it seems obvious that you gotta be present – Instagram I find kinda cool and light. (I don’t know how much actual revenue these things generate though)

    Cool though about learning songs, too. That’s so essential and so often overlooked (yeah, me included)

  • #12341

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Ha, great! I did start a band website in fact. Altho I just did it without asking my mates really. I’m not the band leader so I’m operating in a grey area basically. I’m kind of following advice straight from Doug’s newsletter, the modus operandi, hah. (I’ll say no more on that m.o., it’s there to read) I waited until I had enough performance videos where I could put up some bare bones snapshots- take a look- http://www.sdnr.info I’d like to put other things on the band web site especially integrate a news-headline type box so it could easily scroll through the latest band news like upcoming performances (maybe twitter feed). That’s the primary purpose of a band site from my perspective as a fan. I wanna know when I can see someone next if I liked them well enough to visit their web site (that includes the address of the venue where they’re playing!), and also let visitors sign up for an email list of latest-news. If the band has something to sell, as a fan I just want a page to buy it with my visa card. Of the many band websites I visit, I don’t see those very basic & fundamental features. Not even f—book does those things (so many out-of-date band pages on there). It is just a head scratcher- Bands say they’re suffering for fans or bookings but don’t communicate with their paying customers? I already know that my mates are not online people, my fellow guitarist can’t figure out how to open or print the pdf tab’s I’ve sent her in email. Another mate apparently got red hot when I suggested thru the not-used-much private band email list that a certain instrument should consider doing a solo while the guitarists retuned guitars for the next song (I said: according to previous performance video, it takes 40 seconds to retune the guitars, so, it’d be a good idea to do a 40 second solo during that time, because the frontman gets anxious just standing there), then I heard something thru the grapevine about, things like that shouldn’t be discussed thru email because the tone of voice doesn’t come thru properly and best to wait until the next rehearsal to discuss in person (um hello? it’s the year 2016, people? Not 1986?). Meh, I’m just bound to get in trouble with any kind of band online activity, whether web site or email or future VR hologram. ;-D I guess that’s no different than me in corporate middle america really where I’m pretty much considered a highly volatile compound yet indispensable like rocket fuel.

    As far as promotion stuff.. guitar picks is just one obvious option.. there are tons of companies that just specialize in making giveaway promotion items.. the kinds they give away at conferences, etc. They get better every year. Light up buttons, little gizmos, squeezy toys, stickers, keychains, hi quality cloth bookmarks, USB memory sticks with sales material on them, all branded with a logo and web site name. Some are expensive, some are not, some are neat trickets to keep, some are throw away trash. Super cheesy ones go over the best sometimes. I remember one time I made up a bunch of ridiculously cute animal stickers with a web site name. Lemme tell ya, the guys were like: Huh? And the women were like: OMG sure you can stick one of those on my cheek! *hair flip* LOL

    A blog, hmm I dunno. I did create http://superblonde.info but there’s nothing publicly viewable there (yet?). I kind of think of this thread as my blog 😀 I guess you all can tell me what is best to put up there (let the fans vote! hah). I like Blackie Lawless’s web site. He just decided, “hey, everyone wants a book about WASP from me, I don’t want to write a book, I’ll just upload my story straight onto my web site directly from my Mac” (something like that). So you can go to his web site and freely read his awesome autobiography. It’s not a blog per se, it’s his story directly posted verbatim to his site.

    And I gotta get used to the thing with the girls after shows, how they come up and start ‘curiously’ hanging around. *No comment*

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #12342

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    So many great bands have this story in common- “rehearse 7 days a week, for 4-5 hours”.

    So many craigslist ‘Let’s form a band’ postings have this story-  “let’s get together once a week for an hour or two”.

    Hmm! Which do you guys think will work out better?

     

    Lethal Metal: Anthrax’s Scott Ian and Jon Donais
    by Tzvi Gluckin
    February 02, 2016
    http://www.premierguitar.com/articles/23637-lethal-metal-anthraxs-scott-ian-and-jon-donais

    How about rhythm playing? When did you first start using mostly downstrokes?

     

    Scott 
Ian: It’s a style of playing that just worked in the context of the music we were writing. That’s all guitar has ever really been for me: It’s a tool to play in a band with other people and it’s a tool to write songs with. Anthrax developed from when we started in 1981 and the music we were playing—the songwriting, the ideas, the sounds we heard in our heads, the ideas we had for riffs, that down-picking style and the fast alternating-picking style—that was the way we played. So my guitar playing just developed out of the songs we were writing. I had no style of any type of guitar playing before I was in Anthrax, because I was only playing cover songs. I wasn’t writing my own songs until I was in Anthrax. The guitar playing developed around the type of music we were writing.

    Did you spend time practicing those techniques?


     

    Scott Ian: When I would be sitting and watching TV, I would pick with my right hand—just play and strengthen my hand to build up stamina and stuff like that. But once we started touring, we were touring so much I didn’t really need to sit around and practice. Even before we started touring—I’m talking back in ’82-’83, leading up to Fistful of Metal—we rehearsed seven nights a week. We were jamming every day, trying to get tighter and tighter and tighter. I was in the rehearsal room jamming and playing whatever songs we had back then over and over and over again, four or five hours a night. There’s nothing worse for me than sitting in a room by myself playing guitar. To me that’s the most boring thing in the world.

     

     

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #12345

    joaopazguitar
    Participant

    Superblonde, anywhere you decide to write just keep it going. Always enjoy your texts 🙂

    I suggested thru the not-used-much private band email list that a certain instrument should consider doing a solo while the guitarists retuned guitars for the next song (I said: according to previous performance video, it takes 40 seconds to retune the guitars, so, it’d be a good idea to do a 40 second solo during that time, because the frontman gets anxious just standing there), then I heard something thru the grapevine about, things like that shouldn’t be discussed thru email because the tone of voice doesn’t come thru properly and best to wait until the next rehearsal to discuss in person (um hello? it’s the year 2016, people? Not 1986?).

    This story is priceless 🙂

    Roger on rehearsal time. That’s one thing that really got me down during the years, people not getting that simply isn’t enough to just show up and play a couple of hours and have a couple of laughs and the middle and bid farewell ’til next week…

  • #12584

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    This post in the ‘Learning Curves’ topic I found very helpful –

    I didn’t chart any of this, but here is what my personal experience was like (mainly all with acoustic):

    Year 1: The guitar is frustratingly difficult, but I put in the work and can play D, C, and A. Then more chords, chords, and chords.

    Year 2: I suddenly saw the relationship between all these chords, saw chord progressions, moved beyond open chords, learned a few songs, experimented with different picking styles

    Year 3: Open chords are no longer even a challenge. Added singing and playing at the same time.

    Year 4: Metal Method! Actual attempts at lead guitar. This feels ALMOST like starting over. Work on scales, runs, riffs, and basically everything in the basics first 5 stages.

    What I noticed is that the initial learning was the most difficult. Then, the guitar wasn’t a stranger, and it was just adding new things to DO with the guitar that became hard, but I could pick them up a lot faster than I could the original learning. The fundamentals were already there, I just needed to apply them differently.

    So I feel like I followed an S curve. It was horribly slow in the beginning. Then, I learned a whole lot of stuff really fast (it was all shiny and new and I loved it!) Then I hit a plateau. I was PROFICIENT at a lot of stuff, but becoming REALLY good at a specific aspect (for example finger picking or lead solos) is slow going again.

    I would say, for my part:

    Year 1, 2014 – Put in 20 minutes a day on average, skipped days here & there, some weekends practiced 2 hrs/day. Did not get very far, couldnt play any songs, got very frustrated. Looked for other beginners or band to practice with, couldnt find anything. You know it had to be done: grow long hair. Went to shows to see some of my all time guitar heroes for the first time, went to a show at the Whisky and a few other clubs – I’m fortunate to be in the area so definitely it should be a prerequisite for metalheads to go where possible.

    Year 2, 2015 – Got focused. Actually more like, got super fed up of sucking. Learned first few super easy songs, took days and days. Started practicing 2 hrs a day on average perhaps, often 8 hrs weekends, still skipping some days but skipping maybe only 1 day a week. Answered a casting call for a Hollywood AC/DC music video and I’m in it! (whoa. That is seriously, whoa, heavy.) Started logging and graphing BPM progress and time spent (critical for fast results, in my opinion, should have started that habit earlier). Met Doug and MAB! Doug drops a few incredibly insightful pieces of advice, including, “You have what others might not have, you have time.” 2015 is gonna be a hard year to top. Joined basically a pay-to-play band. Played live first time ever. Vocals live first time ever. Thru the grapevine ended up playing for another local band, a vocalist’s ad hoc group on a big stage at a quirky “mini Burning Man (but not) type” Halloween rock festival. What I might not have mentioned is that I got paid $100 to play for her (enough to cover gas to the location basically). So I made my first cash from playing ever. Don’t tell the IRS. Still play rather so-so. Started Speed Kills. Stuck on stage 4. Meh! I got to see Robby Krieger live from the front row twice and once including Dave Brock as frontman (of Wild Child), man that was sweet. I was tempted to just follow Krieger for more of his tour ;-D He was playing with a couple Zappa band guys as well.

    So 2015 had a lot going for it. But I am hoping for this:

    Year 3, 2016? Finally finish stage 4 “really well” and post a great cover of the solo. Pass 100 bpm (16th notes) comfortably – that one is close at hand already. Revisit Speed & Accuracy. Start stage 5 + solo. Post covers for Riffology and Monster Power Chords exercises. Get skilled enough to walk into a blues jam? Learn many more songs + record the covers. Write out my own song charts for each song I play. Get a portable multi-track live recording setup going plus video. Find a drummer who plays Roland v-drums and wants to rehearse 5x a week (odds scarce on that one happening).

    Here’s the only pic I have of myself at the Halloween festival show. I wanted to post video but my video didnt work and a band mate still has not given me a copy of her own video – probably I will never get it, you know how that goes. (I’ll post the setlist later, nothin to write home about.)

    yeah, this could be you, whoever is reading this!

    superblonde-at-desert-holloween-rock-festival

    The other day I had a sudden realization about playing live. Bizarre, because it just hit me, after I watched this East LA underground punk video below. This East LA punk band frontman – poor guy – barfs from anxiety during every show! Glad I’m not him.


    ‘Vans’ #LIVINGOFFTHEWALL – Episode 4 – East Los – Nekro

    The past several months I’ve been having these funny ‘anxiety’ dreams. No big deal yet funny because it seemed so random. You guys know those types you have when young like, going to school with the wrong clothes on – the psychological bubbling up of being anxious, those type of dreams. When was the last time that happened, probably not for a decade. In my case I had these recurring dreams of being like 8 years old and getting a horrible report card and being super embarrassed as a kid, etc. The other day I realized I was having these dreams because of the upcoming live band performances of songs that I’m not really super comfortable playing live (because I can’t play them well, yet). I played them anyway and they were fine, so there 😛 Hah!

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

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  • #13248

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Ridiculous band logos, re-revisited!

    How can anyone think these band name/logos are a good idea? If I can’t read the name of the band, how can I buy it or look it up later?

    accession_poster-s

    MetalFestBaltimore-flyer2-s

    orgin2012flyer-s

    I ran across this posting on craigslist that is interesting. Personally the last thing I’m gonna be able to make good on, is a paid dinner at a venue- yuck. It’s amazing to me what people will stoop to eat. anyway it is related to my point about band logos- if bands can’t do the simplest jobs at advertising (such as, simply get a straightforward band name and artwork) then how is the audience ever going to arrive in order to pay for a ticket, how is a club owner ever going to profit and be happy too? My jazz guitarist neighbor plays at a couple cafe locations and gets on stage in a ratty tshirt and dorky jeans and sneakers, what’s he thinking before doing that, are people going to walk by the window and say “wow! look at that guy in a ratty tshirt! I bet he’s playing some neat tunes, he’s so stylish looking, let’s go in to see what’s going on there!” Probably not.

    An Open Letter To Venue Owners And Managers

    Dear Venue Owners and Managers,

    You may have noticed a decline in attendance, lower quality of music, and generally unappreciative performers. I feel your pain and have some suggestions for you so that you get the highest quality of music, more attendance, and happiness in your life.

    We professional musicians–the humble, the great–know we are servants. We bring joy and soul to the darkest corners of downtown, and then shlep our axes through the back alleys.

    Pay us.

    That’s right! Monetary compensation for a service which we have trained for years to be able to provide. Some of us even went to school to better understand the magic that we bring. Do you understand how disheartening it is to watch the doorman go home with most of our cover?

    Weed out the amateurs. We don’t mind.

    Don’t feel you should pay lower quality musicians? We agree! Take a little time to make sure your acts are the real deal. Feel free to listen to the music. Look at our resumes. You are a curator.

    Have a decent PA system.

    If we bring our own PA, it might not be the best kind for your specific venue. We want to sound our best so people are comfortable STAYING. You want that too.

    Feed us.

    Musicians shouldn’t have to spend money to stay standing at a gig. It is common courtesy to provide food.

    Don’t give us “drink tickets”. Several members of our Band are alcohol free.

    It’s like giving an allowance to a 23 year old. It’s patronizing to 1) be paid in beer (Is that how you pay your bartenders?) and 2) have you assume we are gluttonous drunks.

    Promote us.

    We will do our fair share of promo, but unless you want us to only bring our friends and family (half of which will want to be on the guest list and none of which will return without us), do a little work. Get us on your website calendar (with a picture, mini-bio, and link to our website). Put up our flyer in your bathroom.

    We have fans, but the steady working musician can’t be expected to bring them to every gig. I’m sure there are fans of your venue. Bring them out! What’s more, if you can build a reputation for always having amazing musicians, people won’t even care who is playing. They will show up.

    Stop offering us “exposure”.

    To what are you exposing us? Our own fans who we painstakingly convinced to come support us? Unless you have a large, built-in audience (e.g. a festival) that is there to see what great new act you have procured, “exposure” means nothing to us. NOTHING. (And if you are running a festival, you should be paying musicians anyway because that’s probably why people are there).

    Okay, take a deep breath. You are probably pretty angry right now and want to switch to Pay-to-Play just to spite us (if you haven’t already). We know that you are running a business. We are too. You need to make a profit. There are expenses. And unless you are happy with a noob garage band who will trash your lovely establishment or drink until horizontal because that is their only payment, we are one of those expenses. You have a right to expect excellence. We WANT to provide you with quality entertainment. We WANT people to keep ordering food and drink all night so they stay and watch us. We WANT to build a rapport with you. So please stop pushing us away by making gigging a miserable experience.

    Treat us well and we will be your bards, your court jesters, and your geisha.

    Because, remember, when you are counting on word of mouth, we hold the microphone.

    With love,

    A Working Class Musician

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

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  • #13252

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Ever since I picked up guitar I’ve been wondering the basic question “how good is good enough” – it seems the best way to compare skill levels is to play with other people and work thru something. Then it becomes more clear what I’m good at and what others are better at, or even, how they are doing what they’re doing (like, how they’re figuring out how to play songs.. compared to the way I try to figure them out, which takes me forever). Given my current meager skill level, I guess the skill for playing covers to a dive bar is, well, may not take a ton of skill let’s put it that way.

    As I’ve been scanning around for others to play with locally, I see these ads like “Established local originals band looking for 2nd guitarist” and they say, “here’s our songs on youtube, if you like what you hear, learn 4 of our songs and schedule an audition”. Strangely I guess that’s just the way it works? Anyway, I sent an email to one of these bands which had more of an “adult band” back story, not asking to audition, instead asking them a couple logistic questions (how much are they paying for rehearsal space locally, how they first found a drummer locally, etc) and I included one of my cover videos to put things in context. Unexpectedly he replies: “how about rehearsing for us, learn our 3 original songs from youtube and stop by our audition tomorrow”. Tomorrow? Well on the scale of “good enough”, that is just way too hard. Transcribe 3 new original songs in a day? With the hope that spending the time is even a good investment? Without anything written to go on? Seems kind of whacky to me. I guess learning like that must be really easy for more experienced guitarists then. In comparison I wouldn’t, hm, I dunno, go look for a building contractor to build a new fence around a house and say: okay, here’s a selfie of me standing in my front yard taken with my iPhone that I uploaded to twitter, if you want to compete for the bid, check out the tweets and show up with architectural drawings at our builders’ meeting tomorrow. For these bands wouldn’t it be more sensible to send out at least a brief song chart that lists the song form or the chord progression or something? That to me would be professional. I guess not, in music? Although I guess no one in rock really uses written notation anyway. I still can’t figure out how others in my own band are learning their material because they never seem to be putting book-work/homework into it (other than simply playing along with the tracks). I show up with several notebook pages of stuff on each song that I have to use as notation as I figure each song out..

    (the answer is yes, I’m gonna jam on their 3 songs, go to their audition, should be fun, tho I doubt I’ll make the grade)

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #13253

    joaopazguitar
    Participant

    Ever since I picked up guitar I’ve been wondering the basic question “how good is good enough”

    Easy answer. Never.

    Here’s a quote from Pablo Casals, one of the top cellists in the 20th century. Reports are that when he was in is 80s he was asked why he kept practicing five to six hours a day. His answer:

    “I think I’m making progress.
    I think I see some improvement.”

     

    I think you made the right decision: go through the songs a few times, jam with them, and show up! Even if you couldn’t play a line, the message would be that you tried, you had the nerve, you disposed of some of your time, you showed up. You gave it your best and when that happens no one can asks you for more! 🙂 A lot of guys that would be able to transcribe all songs in a couple of hours won’t be doing it 😉

    So let us know how it went!

     

  • #13260

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Well, I know what you mean, but I’m thinking more like “how do I know when I’m ready to [insert next step here]”. I think this is more of problem for ‘adult student’ people. Because if I were 16, lets say, then I have the freedom to be mediocre, because “he’s just a kid”, or even more, I’d have a collection of other kids around who are at the same mediocre level, and there’s a lot more support out there as a beginner. As an adult student I am surrounded by ads which say “Looking for 2nd guitarist for band. I’ve been playing 8 years. oh by the way also looking for others in age range 15-17” (which means they’re 16 years old and already have been playing since age 8), or simply kids who are 16 and just started playing so they’re in my similar skill range (but definitely not in same..uhh.. lifestyle range, or even legality range, which is apparently a huge problem for the music school), or finally, much older dudes who might be adults but they’ve really been playing on or off for 20 years for real (since their own teen years). So, there’s this logistics or demographics problem to it. Not just that, oh, adults have ego problems so prefer not to embarrass themselves (whereas for kids, ignorance is bliss, they make noise and don’t know it’s noise). The local performance school has “starting rock band clinics”, such as, “guitar tone clinic”, or “best bass riffs of all time clinic” but I’m actually not able to attend any of these.. because I’m over the age of 18. Imagine that!

    Joao your comment is so amazing – “A lot of guys that would be able to transcribe all songs in a couple of hours won’t be doing it” Still I am just in disbelief about this angle (like “only 1% of guitarists play live” etc. Or even, why the same names in rock keep recurring over & over, or how huge, huge bands “having a hard time finding” a new bassist — Metallica?– etc).

    I think it is common for many top level masters, that they sincerely underrate their own skills (I think this was said about Micheal Jordan etc too), and because of this, always keep pushing to improve. A little different than perfectionism, more like, a kind of humility.

    Anyways. I’m simply gonna follow Doug’s advice ;-D it’s only gotten me into fun & trouble so far, hah ;-D

    Another inspiring recent story comes from Nita Strauss who has had some great interviews. One of her interviews she simply states that her method was “say yes to everything” (and find out you blew chunks on it later). She is such a shredder. She has great interviews because she was recently one of the “up and coming” and now is quite the star so her story is recent & out there to hear. “Can you play funk for a funk band? Yes of course! That’s no problem. (…omg, what’s funk, how do I play that?)” I guess it’s easy to assume that she was always an amazing shredder who coasted thru to where she is today, I don’t know either way, but perhaps early on she was struggling thru cowboy chords and saying “sure, I can play CCR” (and flipping her long hair hah) yet meanwhile might have been saying “ack! how am I ever gonna play that song?” Of course the story is not that simple, she has been playing since early teens I believe and put tons of work in, and of course probably has great natural talents she built on.

    Nita Strauss. Alice Cooper guitarist. How I Got the Gig: Ep.5

    I think this interview is the really good one:

    Episode 11 — Nita Strauss – No Guitar Is Safe
    https://www.podcat.com/podcasts/DVXc3H-no-guitar-is-safe/episodes/9wpjGO-episode-11-nita-strauss

    At 35:30 of this podcast interview she goes into the story about having to rehearse a song she did not know at all. (Beat It.. can you imagine trying to learn that solo in only an hour lunch break..!)

    Personally I’m not comfortable overinflating my skills in such ways. Some people are, in fact some people seem to be naturals at it. I’ve worked with business startup guys who later ended up raising tons of money because they had this skill of massively exaggerating their skills in business startups.. or getting tons of others to join their companies (amazingly, and I always assumed they’d know better, but venture capitalists fall for these guys, never wrapped my head around that, no matter how often I see it repeated.)

    Ok to make this a fair perspective I’ll upload the “Learn these 3 original songs” as a track (not asking for help, just in case anyone is super curious). So far I’ve found out the basic chords of these songs (maybe?) because, I believe, they’re all std tuning, so I’m already happy with this as an ear exercise.. uh, hopefully it’s correct ;-D (No don’t tell me! I don’t want to know, hah.)


    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #13334

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Best bandmate ad of 2016 perhaps goes to this one already

    Drummer Seeking musicians to jam with (city)

    Im a 19 year old drummer with technical chops… been playing for 16 year and I’m interested to jam with serious musicians who have a diverse taste of music. Hit me up if interested… at email or text me at this number:

    Hm I see, 19 years old and playing for 16 years.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #13716

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Remember that band audition?
    It went like this :

    😀 kind of.
    amp

    I spent a few hours on a night before, jamming over the 3 songs I was supposed to learn, just getting the feel of them, just before going to sleep, because it seems I remember things better that way (with sleep involved). Now I’ve read, I forget where, one of our guitarist heroes also mentioning the sleep factor as beneficial, so maybe there’s something as a tip. The songs seemed almost too simple, like I was missing something. Then the morning & day of, I spent the afternoon writing out sheets for the songs, at least getting the chords down and playing them over the track. A bit fast but it seemed mostly okay. Not complex songs after all, I thought. One of the songs it seemed the drummer was waffling or something, the tempo seemed all over the place (more on that part later).

    I took this perspective on the whole thing.. a trick that some companies use when ‘auditioning’ career people, is simply to bring in a bunch of people, like very eager and hungry Ph D types, and the managers give them “fake problems” to solve, which are in fact very real problems the company can’t seem to solve themselves. The eager people are all too happy to solve some problems because it’s fun.. and might gain them a foothold.. so they spend hours or even a week bashing out solutions for the managers (for free). Then the managers pool all the answers and thank the interviewees and maybe they don’t hire anyone. Regardless they’ve got a bunch of possible solutions to the hard problems they were facing. Free consulting by the brightest minds, so to speak. It’s a two way street. The hungry people are starving college kids so they think it’s great to have a free plane ride to another city, a nice hotel to stay in, and a couple free expensive dinners. So both sides are taking each other for a ride. I wasn’t thinking this extreme. But for a band leader it’s easy to say, “Sure, come in and audition, just learn these 5 songs.” it doesn’t take him any longer than 15 minutes, and he gets someone to play his songs. Meanwhile the eager guitarists are spending multiple days banging away on the songs in the hope of doing well and meeting the challenge, which is a whole lot more work than the 15 minutes that the band is going to be doing for their part.

    The evening of, I got to the studio building (which was cool to see) and got directed to their rehearsal room, they were busy with someone else playing, so I waited outside for a bit, then got called in. The band leader seemed really mentally busy, probably trying to sort out all the guys who had contacted him and/or come thru the door, trying to juggle all this and keep it straight. He had basically forgotten or misplaced my original email and his reply. Mostly I just wanted to meet these guys because they’re not super pro. It seems hard to get that level of the perspective – from the guys who are good enough to tour locally but not yet on that “very pro” level. Mostly we hear interviews from the real pros, there are not many detailed interviews of the, I don’t want to call them lower, but you know, lower level bands, but these are the guys I might relate more to now. But to the frontman (band leader) he thought, okay, here’s another guitarist to audition. He said the key phrase- the thing that a hiring manager says, right before a job interview where you know that he’s not the one making the decisions anyway- and even tho he’s the hiring manager, he’s not even qualified to screen for talent- he says, “yeah about the songs, the guys will give you the details on that, I’m not much of a musician, I’m the idea man, so they’re the better judge of your sound.” Which explains why I was invited to play, and not as I expected, “yes I agree you’re not there yet but glad you like our songs and I’ll answer your other questions” type of thing (rather than what I got: “come play with us”).

    So I got called in. Huge rehearsal room, huge, and loaded with gear. I met the guys and they were messing with a few different big amps connected to big cabinets while I talked to the band leader. It didn’t click for me, that they were trying to figure out which amp I could use. I’m not used to playing thru big cabinets.. or real amps.. They call in the studio guy to troubleshoot things, start replacing cables, etc. The lead guitarist has his own setup, pedal and rack of ‘stuff’, very pro and clean looking, so he isolated his stuff from everything else, in order to troubleshoot. “Don’t use that amp, it’s out. Use the other one. No, not that cab, that power isn’t working. Use this one and this cab and this patch. Ok.” So they got it sorted out supposedly, and the studio guy leaves. I plug in. It’s this huge tube Marshall amp, on top of 4×15 cabinet. Bigger than me. There’s no sound coming out. Then there’s a really tiny sound coming out. The lead guitarist and bass player are offering suggestions. “It’s warming up. Huh, should be warm now. Are you turned up?” Do you guys know where this is headed now? The amp seems to have 4 channels, different switches and knobs. I’m turning them up to max and strumming a chord. Turned my guitar up to max. Still only a tiny guitar sound coming out as I play a chord. The lead guitarist goes behind the cab as I’m fiddling with the knobs and he’s fiddling with something else. I flick one of the switches “clean/dist” as the lead guitarist is also doing something in the back of the cabinet.

    I hit another chord..

    CHAAAACHUUUUUNNNGGGGGG – ridiculously loud ear piercing guitar wail as the shockwave of sound crushes the room and everyone gets shoved back 3 feet.

    “Aahhh!!” “Noo!!!” “Kill it!”

    *POP!!!* – very, very unpleasant sound from the amp..

    (silence)

    “What the h* happened??!!”

    Lead guitarist – “I jiggled the patch chord. I bet it has a short.”

    I dunno if it was the channel switch or not, but, the lead guitarist was convinced it was the patch chord to the cabinet.. so… back to square 1, no amp. And, “Uhh.. hope that amp is okay?” The Lead guitarist says: “that’s why I use digital. no tubes to worry about.” Hah. Bass player says: “Maybe we can get some room cost knocked off, we’ve been messing with this for half an hour. They need to provide working amps here if they’re gonna charge us.” Whew! I like this guy’s attitude. 😀

    On the whole it was great LOL Now that’s rock n roll! (relieved that it wasn’t my gear)

    But then I didn’t have anything to play thru. Not that it bothered me because I didn’t want to ruin their night further by butchering their songs.. however you guys may or may not remember, I bought this cheapie guitar practice amp with 6″ speaker at a yard sale for $10.. 1990’s model, hah.. and.. it was in my truck. “Uhh, I have a tiny practice amp in my truck we can use. I mean, it’s.. really really tiny.. but it works.” The guys were so relieved. I guess a bit embarrassing, having this huge rehearsal room, with all this gear stacked up like monoliths, and yet none of the amps are plug-in ready. http://guitarlessonforum.com/guitar-forums/topic/yard-sale-8-practice-amp-scored-for-10-d That $10 amp has come in handy multiple times. Handy tip? Keep a cheapo amp in the truck. (It would be better to have something like the tiny tube amps, Orange Micro or whatever, which can also power cabinets, and then maybe have a little 8″ cabinet for it, but for a cheapie thing that makes noise, the $10 amp works well)

    So I got the amp, came back, the frontman said, “okay, the guys turned down a bit, we’ll have the drummer play softer, that way we can still hear you.” Uhh, well, really that’s not necessary, 😀 to hear me, I mean.

    They agreed to just run thru the songs in order. Okay. First one, we start talking about how it goes, chord progression. Then the lead guitarist says, “yeah that’s right. And in between those chords you go (noodle bit) and then bend like (bendy ending)”. I say, uh, show me that again? I’m too nervous anyway, I can’t even pay attention. He does it two more times. I say, “uh, I’m not that good.” Whew, yay for honesty and also level headed dudes. Rather than throw me out he simply said “Hm okay, let’s make this quick then, let’s go thru the 3 songs starting with this one.”

    So we ran thru the songs like that, one of them I had the chords wrong, still not sure about that mistake. Interesting thing for me was, one of the songs is a 3(?)-chord song (and no chorus either). Typically I think of those songs as too cheesy because they’re too simple, very rare to hear them on album tracks, I guess because they get worked into something better, by the song writing pro’s when a bigger album is made. But this band, being more raw, still had this more basic form to the songs which is something I relate to because still as a beginner I haven’t gotten much past the “okay I got 3 chords.. but now what” stage of song writing. Maybe I’m totally wrong about this but that’s my view.

    Meeting these guys was great and I got to talk to the frontman for a while (he wrote the lyrics and basic song structure, which was later embellished by the lead guitarist, who seems very advanced). So every player I meet, I get a better feeling for who I’d also like to play with in the future, which is cool.

    The frontman mentioned the drums on the 3 songs had been faked- because they hadn’t found a drummer at the time- midi drums written by hand in a sequencer or something. No wonder they sounded off! I couldn’t place any specific sound but they just did not feel right when listening to them closely. And the one song had fills that just did not seem to be.. anything that a real drummer would do.

    Too bad about that amp though, hope it was all right. The studio guy came in at the end and assured everyone that the amp was okay. Maybe defending the equipment of the studio, because the band is questioning the reliability of the studio’s gear. Either way kind of funny in retrospect. Again, I couldn’t make stuff like this up, truth is stranger than fiction.

    the youtube video, for those that might not know, is
    Back To The Future 1985 — OPENING TITLE SEQUENCE

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

    Attachments:
    1. amp.jpg

    • #13721

      AlleyCatRocker1980s
      Participant

      Nike now has a Tennis Shoe that laces itself!

      Practicing Guitar

  • #13719

    vik
    Participant

    SB – love your stories and insights.

    Keep ’em comin’.

  • #13722

    Sean
    Participant

    Wow! I give you alot of respect. You handled something bigger than expected and got through it. You faced the challenge. You didnt have a meltdown and quit. I’m 100% sure that this experience with give you the confidence to take on anything!
    GREAT LIFE LESSON

    Tell me and I will forget ,show me and I'll remember, involve me and I'll understand

  • #13725

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Hah, glad you guys like them.. if you only knew the situation I got into last nite it would be slightly more ridiculous, but that one I’ll need some few weeks of perspective to relate.

    Thank Doug for it because without his work, I wouldn’t be forging ahead like I am. Support him by buying more MM lessons from all the instructors 😀

    These efforts come with a cost, I had to reprioritize my practice, and fell off the bandwagon of my Speed Kills exercises (argh, just when I was learning the 3 next exercises too) and Doug’s new pentatonic lessons. All about priorities and choices and ‘opportunity cost’ I guess. Meanwhile, just when I thought I had caught up.. I got 4 new songs assigned for me to learn just yesterday from the current band, I’m unfamiliar with 3 of them, and two live shows coming up, I need to play several leads, I get no support from the band to learn the material, are these guys kidding me? The band setlist keeps growing, now it takes me 2 hrs to practice all the songs one time thru (but typically I need to practice half of them twice so it takes about 3 hrs total). The drummer walks into practice, says “I spent a lot of time this past week practicing the new song. Like a half hour a day.” – and proceeds to play the entire song basically fine. While I can barely scratch out the basic chords after 1 week of working on a song for over an hour a day. Thought I was clawing my way out of the hole, now just got buried again. At least – the great news – I get a little faster at learning a new song, each time.

    Recently when I thought I was getting on the up & up on all the material I need for playing what I’m currently playing, I started emailing back & forth with some young high school guys who wanted to play locally. The advert said they wanted to play pop punk but they also said Nirvana, so I contacted them, hoping maybe we could play something a little more aggressive together. I figure, nearly every band ad says, “let’s rehearse once a week to start, then after we get going we will rehearse once a month and just do gigs” – that is just not enough time together in practice to get any interesting progress at all, for me anyway. If I could get just 1 hour playing with the same group every day, that could result in great progress I think. Besides what’s the point of playing if you’re not actually playing together? I figured these younger guys would have every day after high school, open to practice. Maybe they could just replace me (fire me, I’m ok with that) after a month, but in the meantime I’d maybe get some focused group song practice in. The emails went like this –

    Hi my name is [x] and I play Bass. I started this band [x] a few weeks ago with another drummer. We’re looking for a guitarist who can play with us.
    We are into these bands – Blink 182 – Green Day – Sum 41 – Foo Fighters – some Nirvana. Our hope is to build up a fan following locally this summer and eventually get national recognition. I’m 16 the drummer is too.

    Great! Finally someone hungry!

    So I asked where they were located, he said, “south county” .. uhh well that’s not very specific. So I asked if he was near this one brewing company that is popular for open mic nites for these types of bands. I didn’t bring up the age thing. His response was hilarious:

    reply 1. 1:03PM

    Wait do you mean the one near walmart

    immediate reply 2, one minute later. 1:04PM

    because if so welcome to the band

    excellent! – I think?
    but wait, there’s another email from him.
    immediate reply 3, one minute after the above. 1:05PM

    Wait nevermind sorry

    So that’s the fastest I’ve ever been hired and fired from a band! One minute apart, sight unseen! LOL

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #13743

    joaopazguitar
    Participant

    Meeting these guys was great and I got to talk to the frontman for a while (he wrote the lyrics and basic song structure, which was later embellished by the lead guitarist, who seems very advanced). So every player I meet, I get a better feeling for who I’d also like to play with in the future, which is cool.

    These stories of yours are very fun to read and more than that, do provide some very helpful second-hand experience! Keep’em coming!

    So… did you get the job? Did you like playing with these guys? Compared to your current band what were the highlights of this session?

  • #13746

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Hmm the highlights.. the biggest one could be called, ‘failing safely’. No one likes to fail. I don’t like failing. I’d think there’s no way they’d ask me back to be their guitarist because I couldn’t really play their songs properly- they’re a much higher level than me, they’re not at the level of ‘mediocre dive bar cover band’ like I’m at now. They rehearse over an hour drive from me (even longer drive if there’s traffic), so it would really be a challenge to meet up with them, and they’re skilled enough that they only want/need to rehearse twice a month. So, I didn’t really want the job. Which is the best type of job interview to fail at- a job you don’t really want 😀 So at the next one, maybe one I actually want to land, I’ll be much more comfortable with how it works! 😀

    So being comfortable failing is really one of the main ways to keep moving ahead. With all that said it is still hard to do. Another way to progress ahead would be to just be naive about it, which is probably what we all do when younger. So many business people say: “If I had known when I started my business, what I know now, I probably never would have done it.” I prefer being informed though. Which means, being able to laugh when I totally mess up and keep going, fail safely, rather than wince and shout obscenities or burst into tears or something, I know some people like that.

    The other highlight was talking to the frontman, he wrote their songs, I got a feel for where he is at, as a person and an artist. As I said, the more musicians that I meet, after really digging into their music, gives me a great perspective on the types of people I want to play with in the future. Not so long ago, I thought all this would be impossible because I didn’t have any talent, so it’s kinda crazy. The previous vocalist that I played with in the big show from last October is a great example of learning who I don’t want to play with (I’ve since turned her down for a couple local tiny shows and at a wedding she wanted me to play at). She doesn’t practice with a metronome, her timing shifts all over the place, she has no practice discipline or structure, basically, she’s what you could call, “fluffy personality” type, which is okay, if there’s a corresponding effort at.. how to describe it.. “being professional”. She does not sing in predictable measures or even the same way twice, and backtracks on her opinion or forgets what everyone decided five minutes prior or the previous week (I have the recordings..). It’s very possible to “be an artist” and also at the same time “be professional”. I could go on and on with examples but I won’t 😀 I did offer that if she simply recorded herself (using a cell phone.. or anything) singing her covers over top of a metronome or basic drum track, I’d be happy to play with her. That was over a month ago and so far, nothing- as I expected. So in talking to the frontman, it’s simply becoming clear to me that I want to play with others who have either the track record of success at business, or have a degree (some kind of “I can do hard work and get it done” qualification). Even tho it might be very difficult to find others like this. Overall it might save time and a ton of frustration. Start working with someone only to find out much later that all the marbles are not placed, that kind of thing. The frontman admitted that he does not know any music theory, doesn’t play guitar (“I tried that for a while but didn’t get very far, these guys are so much better, so I leave it to them”), and is the vocalist and songwriter of the group, and he outsources completion of his songs to “real musicians”. To me that seems like a very frustrating position to be in. Like having a career job where the boss knows nothing about how to do the work, yet is directing the work, using vague terms only he understands and half of the time he’s making things up on the spot. (If I wanted that type of pain, I’d get a government job! hah!) It’s good if a musician needs a salary. He (or she) will get hired by those who are in serious need of this type of help.

    Hmm. Did I like playing with them.. well, they had a drummer playing acoustic drums, in a big rehearsal room, and it was friggin loud. I did not like that at all. Pretty much I am starting to really dislike playing next to real drums. With earplugs or not. So I don’t think I would be on the same page as these guys. They’re doing the standard rock band setup. Loud drummer, so they need loud amps and huge speaker cabinets, loud vocal PA, and then they need a studio rehearsal room, paid by the hour. Maybe that was great in the 70’s and 80’s, and okay out in the boonies in the 90’s. The frontman even complained about the volume, so he realizes the problem, (and also, I think he was hard of hearing in at least one ear, he admitted to listening to too much loud music his entire life), he said, “I have this thing.. I think it’s called jam mix.. you plug into it, everyone gets their own set of headphones, everyone can set their own level, it sounds great”- so I asked, uhh, but what about the drums? He said, “Oh well yea, it can’t have drums, but guitars and bass work great. It has an aux-in for a drum track.” He’s solving the wrong problem. If a rock band were to exist which used small form factor electronic drums (something like an Octapad), none of this would be a problem, none of it would be necessary. Practice anywhere, at whoever’s house is hosting the rehearsal, rotate around locations if needed, the drummer is not allowed to complain about having to lug his drums anywhere because it’s simply a non issue, no worse than carrying a guitar case. Practice anytime, no neighbor complaints from noise. No ringing ears. Play anywhere live, the drummer carries his entire setup in one arm, for a small bar fine just turn down, acoustic set at cafe fine just turn down more, for a dive bar crank it up and bring the big subwoofer. I chatted to the drummer a bit about where and how he plays. All the guys were older, 50s or 60s. He said he doesn’t practice really, he gets together to jam with people, and “my friend owns his own studio so I just go grab one of his rooms.” That’s just a repeat of the same story. But I’m still naive because I have yet to see proof that anyone actually does this live. That’s a lot of words to explain that I enjoy playing with an acoustic drummer but it’s also a big drag. Plus, going on tour with this setup? What a huge bunch of gear to transport around. Travel and gas is expensive today, budgets are smaller, shows more geographically spread out, it’s long past time to minimize the size of equipment (my naive opinion). Other industries have already done it (mainframe computers -> personal desktop pc’s -> laptops -> big pda’s -> big tablets -> smartphones). Some guitarists seem to have already starting pushing gear manufacturers in this direction, like with the move to smaller mini tube amps and multi effect pedals.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #13747

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Nike now has a Tennis Shoe that laces itself!

    Ha, hilarious AlleyCat!

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #13794

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Having youtube videos really works. I find them embarrassing and I don’t really enjoy being in them considering my playing mistakes. I haven’t posted most of them here because I don’t find them very flattering, I’ve only shared a few. But the videos get results in terms of response better than anything else so far. I’ve been sending links to others when I see online ads to play. Almost every time, people have responded back with some kind of invite or assume I know what I am doing. Compare to other ads I see, where “25 year old musician, experienced playing for 20+ years, starting new original band, serious project, already have vocals bass and drummer, need lead guitar” (um, okay, let’s say I believe that, oooh, and it’s serious, whatever that seems to mean) – the poster has no video, no pics, I send an email to the ad and they say, well this is a new project so there’s nothing to show yet. Or they say ‘I had video on my old smartphone but I don’t have it now.’ So how serious can a project be, if there’s no video of even their rehearsal? In some rare cases they have soundcloud and in more rare cases it sounds good. But that doesn’t show who they are, are they recording in a messy bedroom or a garage with gear or a studio or what, etc, so many details come thru on video. So make videos it seems to be the main thing that works. Mine are made with my $80 action camera because wide angle is so much easier, on a cheap tripod, with lo fi audio from an mp3 recorder synced up to it later, it’s not a pricy setup.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #13796

    joaopazguitar
    Participant

    Superblonde, thanks for the detailed response above. Really enjoyed reading, as usual. You sure write long posts, lots of words as you mentioned, but it may be one of those cases where it pays off actually reading them 🙂

    For me playing in bands was never a fully rewarding experience until lately .. for various things that I’m able to retrospect by reading your posts; my inability to learn and memorize the songs quickly, even my own composed parts (one of the bands it was really my band, we did a record and played live a lot, but these kind of problems were always there).

    On top of that I started shifting greatly towards technology.. when I started my own band, at first it was only my wife singing and I playing the rest; the drums were composed with rhythm machines, played the bass and the layered guitars; for live gigs we’d use a small fostex 4-track K7 recorder! One of the tracks was a sync tone to drive the drum machine, and the other 3 tracks were the bass and maybe some other guitar parts. Then Luisa singed and I played the main guitar. But it was very awkward as you can imagine, so we hired a bass player. And then I bought a nice keyboard workstation and programmed the parts there and used it to drive the drum machine, via MIDI. That was a lot better, just not having to change tapes in the mid of a gig was a huge progress! But still had a lot of drawbacks, like the constant backups, parts being hard to edit on the keyboard – in those days you had to add and everything on tiny led green/red screens one 8th note a time and use a cursor to move back and forward between them, it was a pain!

    Later, as I had an Alesis Quadraverb GT effects processor (still have) that also allowed MIDI, I started programming that into the keyboard as well, so at times it was super cool just play the guitar parts and having the sounds switch automatically in the middle of a song, several times, without having to press a single pedal. So I went to the point where I had entire shows programmed in the keyboard…

    ..that didn’t last long, and when it failed it was like your Back to the Future clip, it was loud. We were in a bar, first live presentation of our album. Thankfully there was a lot of friends in the audience who helped getting the mood up! …. so, the weather was terrible outside, raining and I think there was some lightning as well, but the atmosphere at the bar was great. BUT, there was a problem with the bar’s electric current system, and at one point one of the lightnings I guess made the current “oscillate” and fail just a tiny fraction of a second, but that was enough to cause havoc in my MIDI setup and all parts started playing at random, really loud, guitar effects switching at random, the drum machine went wild will all the drums and cymbals playing at once. Can you picture that?

    I had only time to rush to the keyboard all pull the current cable off, and turned off everything as fast as I could. As we were under a lot of pressure in those days, I hadn’t done my backups properly, or simply didn’t have them with me at that time, can’t remember, and the show was about to go off…, luckily there was a couple of tracks that we would do acoustically, and the bass player also had an acoustic bass, so we were able to at least play a few tunes with our acoustic instruments; we didn’t save the night but at least a few songs sounded nicely and again our friends in the middle of the crowd did the rest 🙂

    Your octapad references brought me back these memories; I think that wouldn’t be a problem since there’s a person really play them, but still too much tech at times has its drawbacks too.

    After that night that was it with me and tech driven shows, by that time. And that played a role in me putting the guitar to its case for a whole 15 years and go study violin. And I remember playing live with the orchestra it was so much fun… I just had to carry my small violin case, open it up, tune up, warm up and play, and in the end it was only a matter of five minutes for me to get back in my car with “all the gear” in!

    The jazz bands, since 2009 when I picked up the guitar again a a kind of in-between, and that’s the first time I’m felling full, when playing live. Because I can still play other peoples tunes, but do it my way, add my own compositions, play with a live piano, clarinet, sax, small drum set, it’s awesome. I keep my gear to a minimum, too. Usually it’s just guitar, cable and amp, so there’s still that great feeling of not having to do much before being ready to play! 😎

  • #13958

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    I finally received the results from the songwriting contest I entered. It took forever! I entered this contest because the judging panel includes the Berklee songwriting course instructor and says that every song gets a written evaluation from the judges, even if short, that could be interesting. Most contests are scams at least I think this was a big thing in the past (“send us $25 and your song” etc then later “you won! send us $30 for a pro recording!” and then “send us $100 for distribution!” etc). Anyway I got an unexpected email back in November from the contest site that the deadline was a week away so I rushed to get something ready to submit and paid the $30 or whatever and submitted the mp3 and lyrics (I did not sing on it! I used midi for the melody notes! I cant sing that well..yet! especially gritty like the song demands). I figured it would take 4-6 weeks.. wrong.. they extended the deadline and then had delays (normal? I don’t know?) then they said, results in March then March passed.. and anyway, finally finally, I just got the meager results. This is for my song that got all “10’s” from the songwriting class and the class reviewers saying “best song in the class out of all those I reviewed” for the final project, which at least means it is not complete gibberish (that class had some low standards, it is for beginners).

    In the meantime I also realized my big mistake on this song and my others. Because I don’t fully get melody yet. I wrote the midi melody where I could ‘attempt to’ sing it but that means it is in my really low range (like, G on 6th string 3rd fret, that is: G2), however the guitar chords are also there, the bass is also only 1 octave lower than that, so the midi melody line in the mp3 is completely lost in the audio, even after I boosted it, so a new listener won’t really identify it. Especially someone used to listening to anything current, where the vocal melodies are so high. Maybe this has always been the tradition, the vocal melody being up high. I don’t know, not sure I’ve ever seen the “very beginner basic 101 rules of songwriting” listed out although it sure would be great to see that. These kinds of simple things are what makes learning music seem like it’s obvious to everyone else except it’s not obvious to me. Finally in singing a Nirvana cover for the millionth practice repetition I see that Cobain I think is doing this (if singing lower then he uses much higher chords). By the way how come vocalists (and vocal instructors) don’t even know the vocal letters like G2 ?! Isn’t that their only job? If someone says “Sing a C3” then they can sing that note? Or they get their octaves messed up “Oh wait that’s not A3 that’s A4, uhh, hmm, yea I don’t know..” My recent vocal instructor didn’t know if “C4” was “Middle C” or not. What!!

    Anyways..

    Here’s the ‘song evaluation’ – not too bad on the scoring but obviously the melody was not identified by the judge. I need to go on the site to see if they give scoreboards for the winners, otherwise, I will contact them to see “what’s the average scoring for those who won?” There are no rock songs and there is no rock category. The closest category is “Alt/Rock” which is more like, pop emo (I can’t call it rock).

    song-contest-judge-feedback-strength

    This might not seem like much but I believe there are several important things for me, first, the meaning in the lyrics was definitely too esoteric (I didnt post them here..) – some songs can be like that, some bands are even like that, but, I think it is a problem for me and this song. Even reading the lyrics, the judge didn’t “get it”. It’s important for a listener to “get it” and the sooner the better. The big thing was that the judge liked the song structure, which I believe is kind of boring.

    Maybe I will enter again, I dunno! I’d have to have another good song first.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

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  • #13961

    vik
    Participant

    Excellent for what seems to be a professional evaluation.

    I love to see someone with the cajones to charge forth into places that they have never been.

    You do this alot.

    If your goal was to learn, mission accomplished.

     

    And I believe that you still owe us the story of March 29th.

  • #14124

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Hm, ha, that story of a tuesday nite.. that is something.. to keep under wraps for the time being.. ;-D

    today’s show:
    [see pic]

    I think in the pic we were doing cocaine. no not literally, I mean the song. next to a somewhat busy highway, kind of did strange things to the sound.

    what amazes me most is that how some playing can be so incredibly bad in major parts (by accident, maybe nervousness / space case problem.. and also probably not enough practice) – like, playing wrong chords and in general a train wreck for several measures of the first few songs 😮 .. – or oops, amp blew a circuit so couldn’t hear me at all or my solo.. and still afterwards get some random girls coming up “do you play lots of shows? like, how much do you charge for like a house party? like to come play?” I guess, get enough gear together, and a group looks impressive even if the sound is a bit shaky. Should be encouraging for other peeps who don’t consider themselves good players 😀

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

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  • #14271

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Somewhere on the forum I mentioned how playing with a band is strange in that the other mates say “you sounded fine, the audience won’t know!” when I mess up a solo or a chord. The audience sure knows. I went to the nearby dive bar to see a local 70s/80s rock cover band. They used to have this young guitarist with a huge crazy pedal board (like 20 pedals stuck every which way) and he sounded great. He didnt smile much though – more on that later. This time they had an older dude on lead guitar and a different older guy on bass. Maybe a different drummer too, not sure. But lead singer was the same. They didn’t sound right. The lead guitarist frankly was playing sloppy and messing up all his parts in subtle ways. A few songs he was definitely not playing the correct lead parts. Of course I noticed this at the first song but it was still fun, it’s live, right? A handful of people (mostly women) were dancing to the songs. Stuff like, Jenny (8..6.7..5.. three ohhhh nineee, ha). One of the women dancing was wincing at one of the solos and saying “ah that doesn’t sound right. Nope that doesn’t sound good at all. Ohh that definitely was not right.” Don’t get the wrong idea these women were not exactly spring chickens. Fun dancers though and having a good time. They knew the band was not “on it”.

    Later during break the bass player came over to say whats up. I guess he recognized me from around. Funny, I wonder why. I’ve been going to live music for a long long time and only recently have had some musicians come up to me like this. Maybe cause I’m staring so intently at their fretboards, hah. Or simply maybe cause I’m a longhair now. Anyway he told me in a polite way they got rid of the young kid: “he was just so negative all the time. Finally we said, look it’s fine, you’re too good for us. This is what we do. Shrug, its a band. This is an experimental nite for us. We are trying different things. More like a paid rehearsal you know. It’s a fine line you know, what can change and what can’t. ” I guess that makes it sound like maybe the young hot guitarist was bagging on their skills or pressuring them to practice more, I dont know. But the young guy never smiled or joked around or seemed to be “having a great time” when I saw him playing either. Maybe that’s just how he was in general. 😮 ‘Dont be that guy!’ Then again maybe he just demanded to play songs other than the ones which 60 year olds will sing along to.

    I think by ‘experimental nite’ he meant the set list. Playing some different ancient cover songs, instead of their classic ancient cover songs. yet still ancient all around. I’ve heard this several times recently from local people: we would like to play new stuff vs. oh we have to play certain things, etc. I don’t know, I think part of it is just lip service. I haven’t heard any bands – any – covering Jack White stuff except for the single amateur ‘theme cover’ band I saw several months back. And Jack White was probably the biggest star of hard distorted rock in 2000-2010 decade, right (and still putting out some hits, as solo artist). It is basically like the “we are a rock party band” of today are not even trying to stay current. The coolest thing about my jazz guitarist neighbor is that he said eff that and threw all covers in the trash and his jazz group play 99% of his original jazz rock tunes.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #14272

    rorygfan
    Participant

    Then again maybe he just demanded to play songs other than the ones which 60 year olds will sing along to.

    I am wondering, in these bars you go to with cover bands… aren’t there any young people demanding newer songs there- I mean 24-45 age range? (assume not)  or are they only for alcoholic baby boomers?

    Your idea of playing White Stripes covers is a niche, so stick with a niche.  The other thing you might consider is partnering with someone who has original’s and go for it and not do the covers, unless of course you want to do it all on your own.  You have seen Sheeran do it so maybe just go out on your own and use these loopers and drum stomp boxes you can be a one-man band and perhaps that would eliminate the need to deal with a band situation.  Your jazz buddy has it right, just like the Lemmy quote you have- do it for yourself….

    • #14278

      AlleyCatRocker1980s
      Participant

      There’s one thing I would like to add, I go to a Venue in the City..every once in a great while they have Musicians come in

      an they play Metal.  90% of the other time they have Musicians that play Taylor Swift,or stuff like Adele.

      I get questioned,an looked at because I like Bands say like Poison,Warrant etc. Hair Bands, 70’s-80’s Bands

      I’m not shure whats going on here?  I’m told I’m too old to like that stuff, but it was a great era & I’m as old as these Bands?

      Typically I don’t think 70’s- 80’s Music is so bad, & I was told the Bar Lady hires the Bands she knows nothing about Music in general  🙁

      or what is really good Music.. She has turned away, some really good Bands over there..

      Practicing Guitar

  • #14283

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Rory I don’t know why Jack White would be considered a niche at all. Any of his tunes are more ‘modern rock relevant’ than playing Sharp Dressed Man. He is (or, was, in 2005-2010) all over rock radio. His new songs are still featured on rock radio. One of his hit rock songs is one of the #1 football and basketball stadium sporting events songs currently – the kind of song where the sports stadium plays it during a team break to get the audience to stomp their feet and clap (7 Nation Army). Not defending him as an artist or band (Meg White is horrible in my opinion) but those are the facts. The average age of the Jack White audience is much lower. Yeah this bar’s crowd is basically boomers, yup, some alcoholics in there, hah. But the fans follow the bands mostly, I mean, the band brings in most of the crowd, so this band has some dedicated followers who go to whichever bar the band is playing at (because, they’re a good band, good frontman). Actually my entire county is basically boomers, there is no escaping that bracket (bad demographics.. anyone younger has to move out, real estate and rent are too expensive). When I go to see rock shows at local theatres I’m basically the youngest in the audience (even the boomers remark on this to each other.. “did you notice everyone here is a gray hair?”). I believe the crowd would change over at least a little bit to the rare younger fans if the music matched their interests – isn’t that how it happens? If they started playing Avenged Sevenfold then 21-25 crowd would start showing up I assume (not sure I’d like that but I’m not 21-25 either). “If you build it, they will come” right? Yet they say: Hmm, we need newer songs, we need a younger/more energetic crowd, hey I know, let’s cover Santeria, that’s new! *facepalm* Totally not new, or hip. So actually your comment to me seems very similar to what these bands are mistakenly saying in my opinion.

    It’s fine if a band says: “we are mostly late 70s and totally 80s and a tiny bit early 90s, that’s what we do.” Ok cool. But if a band is complaining themselves about their dated material and dated audience age.. then.. whose fault is that.. They played two STP songs as their “newer” songs: Plush and the other top hit I forgot. Both of these were 1992 songs. It’s 2016 so that was 24 years ago.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #14291

    rorygfan
    Participant

    Rory I don’t know why Jack White would be considered a niche at all.

    Actually what I meant to state was YOU doing his songs live was a niche, since you said NOBODY else was doing it.  Nothing more other than your potential niche.  I like the guy but can’t get into the drums either.

    I think if I was in a bar band at advanced age like I am, I would prefer a younger audience and do whatever it took to garner one including playing music for that audience- I mean why play rock live for old ladies?  Well the bar customers who buy drinks are older most likely- so it’s the bar owner’s request.

    I listen to alot of music just because that’s what my female friends enjoy.  We trade off playing stuff I like and what they like.  Even abit of Rap here and there I have to digest with difficulty… I discover new-to-me older and newer latin stuff all the time so it’s cool.  We have a club here that actually labels the shows as “Geriatric Rock”, on the ad’s.  And Dinosaur Rock too.  Funny.  Then today watching Coachella I hear that DJ Guy Sam Feldt who sampled the 60’s Jefferson Airplane hit Grace Slick is singing “Do you want somebody to love” and he repeats that great melody over and over again, everybody dances and has a blast and has no idea he didn’t create it.  Cool throw back.  I love to see all those girls dancing and getting into the music- so why wouldn’t somebody do that?  I still think there is a niche to be had for somebody to create great guitar riffs and loopable samples that are danceable that these DJ’s could insert and use on their EDM shows.  I recorded some stuff a long time ago along those lines, but never pursued it and only the Ibiza scene was going, all the other EDM clubs and vegas had not appeared popular back then.

  • #14332

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Actually what I meant to state was YOU doing his songs live was a niche, since you said NOBODY else was doing it. Nothing more other than your potential niche. I like the guy but can’t get into the drums either.

    Ah I see, yes that is a good angle. I do play and plan to play more of Jack White myself. I’d also like to hear it from other bands I see though. Classic hits are great but if a band is adding Green Day from 1995 as their “see, we’re current” covers then yeesh there’s a problem with the mentality of bands today too. How about Black Keys, they’re current, and great, bands should cover them.

    I agree about White Stripes drums, the bizarre thing is that the drummer in my band does not seem to comprehend this statement: “you can write new drums. make it sound better. you can do anything. don’t play like Meg, she’s horrible! do better drums yourself.” She won’t do it or hasn’t gotten the message the five times I’ve said it. I dont get it. She says proudly how she learned an entire new song in a day, but can’t invent new drums for a simple White Stripes song? I gave up waiting and I made some drums myself and I sent these as mp3 and MIDI (I could have given the PDF drum tab too but didn’t because I figured I’d wait for her to ask). I forgot if I posted it here, here it is, my attempt to replace Meg: http://superblonde.info/2016/Superblonde-Better-Drummer-White-Stripes-Dead-Leaves.mp3 (I used GP6 to make the drums).

    I even bootlegged the other White Stripes cover band in town (played by a very technical young drummer chick) and sent it to our drummer so she could maybe try to cover these drums instead: http://superblonde.info/2016/20160115-bootleg-sd-white-stripes-cover-band-dead-leaves.mp3

    No dice though. I am sure that any ‘proper’ drummer could do this. At the local record store I found several bootleg CD’s of Jack White before he started playing with Meg, some of the same songs that he later did as White Stripes. The CD is really really good because it has a real drummer.

    So basically for that reason alone I think there is demand for White Stripes covers. No one likes to listen to Meg yet some of the songs are really kickin hard blues songs, they’re great, would be amazing to hear live with a good drummer.

    I should start making a list of the ‘recent’ bands & their songs which would be good to cover. I figure, at least one third of a setlist should be songs written in the past 10 years right? It is so easy to fall back to the same old classic songs.

    I mean why play rock live for old ladies? … I love to see all those girls dancing and getting into the music

    😀 totally. well, not to be politically correct or anything. A mix is good (ages, genders, races, fashion styles..). An audience of only one single demographic is dull. My favorite of course are the young punk girls with pink hair. 8-D

    Ok so about practice. I dont post a progress log here but here was my practice today, for a Sunday.

    
    Toxicity-Full       60% tempo (70BPM)     25* min + 15* min
    Hush w/ licks 1-4   80% tempo             60* min
    Plush               80% tempo             22* min
    Am Pent Pos 1       60 BPM 16th notes     5+5 min
    Black keys new song 20% tempo  - solo     20* min
    Black keys new song 10% tempo - chords    20* min + 15 min
    Bowie new song       0% - review only     10* min
    SK10 ex03           50 BPM                8
    Plush w/backing     100%                  22*min + 20 min
    I drink alone       90% tempo             60* min
    Jam along with Coachella live bands video 60 min
    ..probably do a bit more before the day is done
    

    Some songs listed twice because recently I try to break up the time rather than stay on one thing for so long. The coachella live stream was neat because I’d try to learn the chord progressions by jamming along to the songs while watching the bands. Not too great at it but better than I was several months ago, that’s for sure. I actually got a couple chords correct now, hah.

    Lesson learned about Toxicity, from now on I will refuse to play songs that are really at odds with my musical taste, but now I have no choice on this one.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #14408

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    I made this progress video for myself to review then had so much fun watching it (does that make me narcissistic?) that I figured, okay it’s a bit embarrassing yet the fun outweighs that, so why not share it with some metal method peeps and maybe inspire you guys? I rant about difficulties playing with others yet it’s amazingly fun and everyone should go for it. So here it is and I added a short dedication. 😮 So click if you’d like to rock out. “Wolfmother – Joker and the Thief (SD&R Band Cover #2 – Behind The Scenes 2016)” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMdFZltOgm8 It starts out with my idea for a timing technique on this song, in order to sync up the triplet part, I requested from our drummer that each time before we start, we should sync up timing by verbally chanting together, “da da da. da da da. da da da. …” The typical “1-2-3-4 drumstick hits for count-in” just wasn’t getting the timing tight enough for me. I need to put this song back on my “practice at least every other day” rotation because otherwise the triplet riff kills my forearm. I think probably I am doing 1000x more muscle effort than better players because my finger motion is totally not optimal at all and have to move like crazy.

    I adjusted my guitar strap so my guitar hangs much lower. It changes the fretting and picking in subtle ways and also how the guitar moves around. My biggest concern in the song is getting that final bend in the solo nailed. Also it’s easy to see that over-performing gets a lot of smiles like near the end of the solo on the final note when I attempt to kill my guitar. I’m glad that the neck is made out of carbon fiber. 😀

    We have a new bass guitar player. I forget how long he has been playing but not long and he is still learning the songs as we go along.

    Edit: I just went back to watch the previous cover/progress video I put on youtube which yea, looks pretty rough compared to this more recent one. Neat comparison. Maybe more like cringe-worthy, hah. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffFVzIrXz20 “Wolfmother – Joker and The Thief (SD&R Band Cover – Behind The Scenes 2015)” It’s like: December 2015 vs. April 2016.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #14434

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Major goal accomplished tonite: first ever open mic performance on vox+guitar, my fellow bandmate guitar player backed me up. It wasnt a big deal as much as kind of logistical setup problem – levels and stuff, without much of a sound check obviously. Did two songs separately, Nirvana About a Girl (our guitars + my vocals, no drums) and second round, Nirvana Breed (with bass+drum backing track, and our guitars + my vocals). Went very well for a first time 😀 Meaning, started strong and ended strong, who knows what happened in the middle, hah. Random open mic people started cheering “yea!” when I hit the vocals on the first verse of Breed, that was really cool. I’m slowly adding to my mental list of things to do and not do to have a standard good performance thing going on. Amazingly, people keep telling me my vocals sound good. I have the recordings. They are mostly right I must admit ;-D It will be great to get the drum footpedal into this setup. A lot of fun! Of course then the real local talent cycled thru and blew us away with on-the-spot rock and blues jams but that’s okay.

    Random audience people (non musicians) asking me: “whoa that’s a cool guitar what is that called? It’s so cool!”, again. See, headless has huge benefits.

    I still think there is a niche to be had for somebody to create great guitar riffs and loopable samples that are danceable that these DJ’s could insert and use on their EDM shows. I recorded some stuff a long time ago along those lines, but never pursued it and only the Ibiza scene was going, all the other EDM clubs and vegas had not appeared popular back then.

    This open mic tonight had a different set of players. One group had: a guy playing banjo half the song and violin the other half (or fiddle? I dunno), another guy playing acoustic guitar with some distortion on it, the open mic sit-in guy on drums inserting some beats, and a young dude rapping over top. It sounded great (I was not much into the rap part although the guy had very good rhythm and style, I just want a singer, not a fast-spoken-word-poetry-jive thing). I would call it, a cross between blues with a groove (groove for the rap obviously) and bluegrass (because of the banjo).

    Amazingly the audience really started head bopping to this performance (and people whipping out phones, “ohh I gotta get a photo of this!!”), whereas, the prior performances had amazing female vocalists with backing guitarist dudes which were great, yet, did not get this ‘audience response’. Even another performer girl playing very hot piano and belting vocals did not get as much of a response as the rapper group. The rapper wasn’t doing gangster themes, I think he was rapping about life being hard and trying to make it, that kind of typical stuff (couldn’t understand a lot of it).

    Anyways I think you could do well to do some guitar riffs or melodies for EDM or any groove hip hop today. There is a big need I think. The rap guys like the melodies and sounds but they can’t create them because they don’t have the musical talent. They only have good ears or good artistic sense, and can write spittable-poetry so to speak.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #14581

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    I’ve tried playing with “cooler looking” lowered guitar strap, kind of hip level, for the past couple weeks and man, I keep making so many mistakes, mostly picking mistakes because the strings are not where I think they are. Can’t deal.. I’m officially tightening my strap back to the dork zone (where sitting and standing keep the guitar at the same body position). Which is worse, looking square or flubbing notes on a melodic lead part. 🙁 Easy choice, I gotta sound good primarily.

    Great news!
    Super excited (and nervous) for my first real event of playing a ‘full show’ coming up. Altho as a group we barely have enough songs down right now but apparently with breaks and some ipod music to fill in the gaps we can apparently play a ‘full nite’. So we are on a mission to play (ha, there is a hidden pun there) a charity event.. some kind of a wine party, cocktail dress fundraiser..

    last year looked like this –

    previous-show-from-2015-s

    info from ‘the band manager’ –

    The tentative schedule :
    5:30 – 6:00 pm Play Music (ipod through PA) while people arrive
    6:00-6:45 pm First Set of Live Music
    6:45-7:00 pm play music while the band breaks
    7:00-7:45 pm Second Set of Live Music
    7:45-8:00 pm play music while the band breaks
    8:00-8:30 pm Third Set of Live Music (Slightly Shorter)
    8:30-9:00 pm Play music (ipod through PA) while the event comes to an end

    Discussing longer break to insert while they do their raffle.

    Call time for everyone will need to be at least an hour before the performance. There will not be meals at this event but snacks floating around that you can have permission to munch on! There will also be water and soda available. Since it is a 21 + event I am sure there is alcohol available at a bar but we do not have comped drinks.

    More info coming.

    Now here is the stage presence of BTO from their early album days. All the bandmates wearing winter redneck gear and uh, what’s the lead guitarist thinkin with the shiny jumpsuit LOL

    bachmanturner-overdrive-bto

    Anyway I’m hoping the band mates can agree on a suitable ‘matching’ fashion statement for this event. 😀 We shall see..

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

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  • #14591

    rorygfan
    Participant

    I think wordpress or the email system isn’t reliable.  I am subscribed to the “other topic” forum, but not this one, I guess I don’t get the response message in my email so like this one, I am way behind- sorry.

    don’t play like Meg, she’s horrible! do better drums yourself.” She won’t do it or hasn’t gotten the message

    So you are dealing with a hard-headed female drummer?

    I forgot if I posted it here, here it is, my attempt to replace Meg:

    Sounds like you are ahead of the drummer and need to perhaps find a new one.  It’s a lot of work isn’t it?

    I should start making a list of the ‘recent’ bands & their songs which would be good to cover.

    Yeah, please post it. I would like to give them all a listen, to make sure I am not FOS.  I try and try to listen to new stuff.

    An audience of only one single demographic is dull. My favorite of course are the young punk girls with pink hair. 8-D

    The demographic for me is 22-35 and female- the mix is best and the rest is unimportant, ha.

    he coachella live stream was neat because I’d try to learn the chord progressions by jamming along to the songs while watching the bands.

    Yeah I like to listen to stuff and just jam and jam- the energy you get from watching translates to your playing- at least it does for me.  All I need to do is turn up Satriani live in SF or AC/DC live- and away I go for the entire show- not playing anything like them- but just the vibe is inspiring.

    I actually starting writing a song today, it’s been 35 years for me to do that with lyrics.  I’ve been fighting with all my computers hardware and software- and they have won.  Digging through all my recordings to CD I did when I had my home studio in late 90’s- I am putting together a collection of riffs to work on some material- but I booked another vacation so only a week before I take off again.

    I am going to read the next post, now.

     

     

  • #14592

    rorygfan
    Participant

    So click if you’d like to rock out. “Wolfmother – Joker and the Thief (SD&R Band Cover #2 – Behind The Scenes 2016)

    Cool- it’s looks like you are having fun and sounded good.  The open string hammer and pull off thing is cool, I recall hearing it but not seeing it before.
    The drummer is the vocalist too?  I didn’t see her just assume so.

    I adjusted my guitar strap so my guitar hangs much lower.

    Why?  ok..the cool factor… I know Robben Ford and those jazz guys take it to the other extreme- almost like a violin with the cut away next to your neck. ha.

    See, headless has huge benefits

    How is the balance on that anyway? Is the body compensated somehow- I cannot see it entirely in the video.

    Anyways I think you could do well to do some guitar riffs or melodies for EDM or any groove hip hop today. There is a big need I think. The rap guys like the melodies and sounds but they can’t create them because they don’t have the musical talent.

    I think I am going to do something, no timetable but actually registered and posted some of my stuff on Soundcloud, warts and all.

    Here are some of the ACID compositions I did in 1998.   This was when there wasn’t any online music sites to upload them and hosted them myself, no EDM movement like now, using Win 98, slow Pentium 4 computers with issues with multi-channel recording, etc.  Then when iTunes started uploaded them there just to goof off and see if I could make back the investment to list them there without any promotion, and of course no sales.  ha.

    https://soundcloud.com/user-532282196/cybercism

    https://soundcloud.com/user-532282196/jungleep

    https://soundcloud.com/user-532282196/klamouring-aloud

    https://soundcloud.com/user-532282196/play-with-my-toys

    I did these Guitar soloing things- back 16 years ago in 2000 when I was into recording and playing alot.  Both are unrehearsed or planned and “first take” using a midi track with an Roland BR-8 using those old ZIP disks as storage.  The tone is sorta crappy on the second one and abit detuned but I liked the vibe.

    https://soundcloud.com/user-532282196/ph-zh-sh

    https://soundcloud.com/user-532282196/doctor-scunge
    I actually invested the last week in researching various Mac compatible software packages (I don’t like reaper)- and all the spec’s and comments etc. it’s time consuming.  I got out my old pc desktop running XP and installed my old standby COOLEDIT96.exe from 1996.  It wouldn’t save the files, so unlike previously and being stuck for hours I simply googled it and found the answer of running it in Windows 95/98 emulated compatibility mode.  Solved that.  Then I noticed that it isn’t as fun as it once was.  Audacity is fine just has too many features and learning curve I need to accept it.  So downloaded a thing called MIXXX, thinking it was going to be useful but like virtual DJ, it is very limited and only a couple hours with it before I deleted it.  If ACID Pro was available on OSX I would be running it now, I feel like buying a new computer just to start recording back on the PC environment.  All my other PC’s have issues too (Apple not supporting older hardware, new software won’t run, browsers can’t be updated to latest for online Flash compatibilty, it’s a f&^&% headache- I want to focus on music and guitar not fixing all this crap…etc.)  The biggest computer mess at the same time I have ever had, and too lazy to fix them.

     

     

     

  • #14593

    rorygfan
    Participant

    what’s the lead guitarist thinkin with the shiny jumpsuit LOL

    Hey it was the thing then!, and platform shoes-ha.  just like all fashion, funny to look back.

    Here is another white satin jump suit- buck has it on.  Eric Bloom too, Peter Frampton.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVCgdCfszm0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96CmRKaYnwE

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FM5b09Ck1-Q

     

  • #14635

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Fighting the boogieman of vocals, I might finally be turning the tables in the winning direction. Jammed today with my fellow drummer for the first time on this song playing + vocals (and with another guitarist who stopped by who kind of learned the song during the play thru). http://superblonde.info/2016/20160428-Bad-Moon-Risin.mp3 A lot of fun and not horrible for a first run and first sing-thru, compared to where I was before. Everyone has to admit this classic is addictive, right? I’m finally up to ex 3 on Jim Gillette’s course, after hmm, over a year of doing on & off vocal practice? “Miner miner mine”.. (on that topic, what has helped a lot additionally recently is doing slides, which aren’t in his exercises.) His exercises are way better than other vocal instructors CD material and also better than the in-person lessons I’ve had, by far, just my opinion.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #14636

    rorygfan
    Participant

    A lot of fun and not horrible for a first run and first sing-thru, compared to where I was before. Everyone has to admit this classic is addictive, right?

    Yes, you have the interest and putting the work in to sing- that’s great- my hat’s off to you for doing all this learning- keep up your enthusiasm it’s worth it. What are “slides”??? Is that Gillette video for beginners?  I know hundreds of tunes lyrics, but sing flat and only for the mirror.  I wish I could sing, but not super motivated to learn at this age.  Playing and singing at the same time is a challenge too- good for you doing that too.  Enjoy it all.

  • #14915

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    I’ll post separately on the vocal topic because it is a good topic for anyone who cant sing (like myself)

    Tonite I had a short bit of jam time with the new 2nd bassist who joined back into the group even though he felt overwhelmed with the idea of being in our band. I can relate to this but at the same time.. his primary job is simply to play root notes. We were able to convince him a couple weeks ago that it will just take time and practice. Anyway we started rehearsing When I Come Around with the album track. We stopped several times because he said his 5 string bass must be out of tune. After the 3rd time of tuning he realized he was fretting the wrong notes. I said, “I think you should be playing an F#”. He said, Hmm, I’m not up on any note names. Facepalm #1. I played each chord, eventually he got the correct fingering thru trial and error along the fretboard. (A good ear training exercise, I suppose) He didn’t bring his tab printouts to rehearsal. Facepalm #2. Eventually we got thru the song several times with the album track playing so then I said: okay let’s just play it by ourselves, I’ll sing it (cool! I can almost do such things now), and I’ll use a metronome for drums, “you use a metronome right?” He said, Uhh what’s that? Facepalm #3. I take out my metronome which has the built in drum tracks, we use it to play along to the song several times. Then kind of repeat the same situation for the next song.. (When I Come Around is a rather tricky song to sing because of the rhythm, it is deceptive until tried.)

    Doug’s most important lesson package for playing in a band is (fill in the blank) – can you guys guess which lesson program it would be from the story above? 😀 (Ignoring the part about this being a bass guitar)

    Last week I got some jam time with our 2nd drummer – finally! Our 2nd drummer has a son who is also a guitarist for many years (4?). He’s in college now. Doesn’t want to join our band because it is too much work to learn the songs and he doesn’t like the songs. I can see that. He joined us for part of the jam anyway as we rehearsed songs. That was cool. when we got to a song he didn’t know, simple song, but he didn’t know the chord progression. He was going up and down the neck playing power chords along each fret, trying to find the right chord by ear. I said, “I think it’s a C. yea just play C.” He said: Umm I don’t really know chord names. I said, “Oh, you can play it on the A string just find C and play that power chord.” He said: Umm well yeah, I don’t know the names of notes. Facepalm #4. He kept playing up and down the neck with power chords and got the progression after another minute. I dont know the names of all the notes on all the strings by sight either but I know enough to count up or down and get the right note in a couple seconds.

    Now I am sure everyone can guess correctly which of Doug’s lesson I’m talking about.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #14919

    rorygfan
    Participant

    A solution that you might try is instead of trying to find someone fully qualified is to train someone who listens, has enthusiasm and loves ur same music. Find a semi qualified person with enthusiasm to learn bass and sit and practice together all the songs at home. Show him the bass line. Create one yourself. Record it and send them home to practice. Repeat over a month and then he stays or goes.

  • #14924

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Good ideas for sure. We are all routing for him. One of the reasons he stayed was because of my advice I think. I was able to tell him specifically, how many months it took me to learn songs at first, and suggest that he stick with it. Previously I guess he was assuming he could join in and things would just click. I’m only frustrated with his instructor, not with him personally. Like the saying goes, employees are often only as good as their manager. The instructor should have told him: make sure to bring all your tab to rehearsal – for example. The instructor should be spending a huge amount of time simply going over the dozen notes near the nut until he finally realizes it is important. The instructor should be insisting that he play with a metronome (not just saying “oh yea don’t forget to practice with a metronome”). He should be saying: If you want to be in a band, then prove that you are using your metronome every day, let’s see you do it. Timing on bass is one of the most important parts of playing the instrument right? Anyway – he was moved from our rehearsal into another band, a starter newbie band, and we were able to continue rehearsal much more productively. I consider our group to be a total newbie band but, I try to do as much prep as possible, I write out my sheets, have lyrics ready, slowdown mp3s ready, etc. We only have one hour a week, to get thru what we need to get thru. If someone says “uh I think you’re fretting that wrong, it should be C” and the response is, “Umm, where’s a C?” that is a big problem.

    I keep waiting for the day that any member especially the drummer, records practice tracks like you suggest, to use at home. Never happens. I’m the only one who records the rehearsals or covers apparently. It would be great if the drummers would record a clean drum track cover. It would help so much. I get a shrug if I ask for these now. I’m not in charge, otherwise it would happen. I’m finally getting a hi fi recorder (small Roland one with built in mics) but more for my own review. I set up a large web page where I was posting materials for the band – mp3s, videos of performances, etc, for individual review. Especially for the videos, it took hours to make each one. I checked recently, the videos only have like 5 views. So, my time was/is being wasted. I took down the entire private web page last week out of frustration and no one has even commented on this missing resource yet. (Not really surprised. The members are only now slowly starting to use email for band communication, things are slow going on the technology front) Well, there are levels of personal investment people want to make in their hobbies. I get really into my hobbies so I try to do them at a more ‘pro’ level. Tho obviously by this point, guitar is much more than a hobby for me, it’s basically become a part time or even full time job. It’s not completely true that I’m not in charge of course. Since I’m a big part of the group I could insist on some things. I don’t want to be such a stickler and demand things. Too many demands and maybe it becomes less fun for the others and if they drop out of the group, then we’ll have bigger problems. In my opinion, if someone falls into ‘I forgot how to play that’ or ‘Oh I left my tab for that at home’ for a song we rehearse, I’d have them wait outside while the group plays it. I think that message would get thru right away – be prepared or don’t play at all.

    Now I’m gonna follow one of barks’s tips and get a graphic designer to make a band logo. That will be awesome! (No one in the band will care but I will think it is super cool 😀 )

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #15031

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    More tales from craigslist.

    This ad-

    Im a 19 year old drummer with technical chops… been playing for 16 year and I’m interested to jam with serious musicians who have a diverse taste of music. Hit me up if interested… at email or text me at this number …

    Somehow a drummer who is 19 and has been playing for 16 years just sounds quirky to me.

    2nd craigslist story-

    Last month I met up with a vocalist thru craigslist (a guy in his late 20s I’d guess) who had posted an ad looking for other band mates locally, it had that theme of “not a pro but starting out and want to play!” feel. We had some txts back and forth and his ad said he was really into early Danzig, it’s his favorite. Cool. I asked for his setlist.. he didn’t have one (?). He was excited to get something going the faster the better, wanted to immediately start playing open mic nites with a guitar player, etc. So I sent him a list of songs from the meager list of songs that I can play (including 2 Danzig songs) and asked him to choose maybe 4 of them, then we’d jam on those, using backing tracks. He was treating it like an audition, so that was kind of cool. I suggested we meet up at a nearby music store which he also knew about. After all, who knows who these craigslist musician people are. I got my backing tracks together (ultimately they did not work well, timing wise, and hard to hear them thru the guitar aux-in, with the music stores crazy bright acoustics). I figured we’d play together at the music store for the 4 songs, without the store’s permission, using a guitar amp as a trial and a PA (I told the vocalist to bring his own mic) and we would annoy the store staff and manage to finish up & take off before getting kicked out. Ultimately that part did happen, we did annoy the staff, who were trying to do business. We didn’t get kicked out but I’m sure they wished we would just take off quickly. Tho the music store set up a guitar amp as his PA so they were friendly, just annoyed at the volume. So we met up, it’s like a blind date, he’s got the songs written on some spare sheets of paper, one of them a Danzig song. He said he had performed at such-and-such club, the biggest one in the county, as his first live show, and since the band was new, didn’t draw a big enough crowd for the 2nd play date, they had not been invited back, and the band went separate ways. He was a cool guy, a bit nervous, anyway, I’ll let the music speak for itself. He said one of the Danzig songs was “too hard” (??). Have a listen and give an opinion.

    Nirvana – About a Girl

    Here is his best vocal from our jam, with my guitar (thru the music store’s peevy amp), and a backing track (thru the guitar amp’s aux in). He put this video up on youtube as an example of his singing. I wont post the youtube link to protect the innocent 😀 so I’ll post the audio only. The music store had horrible acoustics (I forgot that when planning the meetup), very crazy reverb, but, the vocal is still auditionable (is that a word).

    Here is my own guitar+vocal on the same song from my own live open mic nite with my fellow guitarist backing me up as a duo. I think this was the 2nd time we had played the song together but the first time live. My vocals are not great in fact that is not all vibrato in my voice. Part of that is pure terror. Overall it sounds okay for a first try in front of live people I suppose. And how about compared to the other vocalist? Maybe someone can convince me that independent vocalists are needed, since so many of my musical heroes were their own vocalists (even Hendrix!).

    Personally I like my own vocal way better than the craigslist vocalist’s but maybe I am biased. Now from his autobiography, Scott Ian seems convinced that Anthrax needs a separate vocalist so there must be something to these guys. Seems they are a lot of trouble though. Vince Neil anyone? David Lee Roth? LOL

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #15087

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Some neat quotes from Les Paul from http://www.woodytone.com/2009/08/17/les-paul-on-jeff-beck-evh-and-more/ and https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/interviews/rock_chronicles_rock_chronicles_1980s_les_paul.html

    Where Les Paul says, the headless guitar was his LP design, first, then the Steinberger engineers visited his shop and saw it and copied it.

    Les on Various Things, 1990

    Have you learned anything from listening to modern rock and roll?

    “Well, a little but most of it is like eating a United Airlines dinner – when you get off the plane and someone asks what you had for dinner you can’t tell them. When you get out in the parking lot after a concert you hear all the kids saying how great it was, but if you ask one of them to sing a song they can’t even hum a bar. Because it’s loud, you’ve got a million dbs flying around, and the guys playing it can’t even stand it. There is some music out there which is not good and then there is some great music. What’s missing out there is the melody….”

    How would you describe your philosophy of life?

    Well, I guess it might be ‘If you can’t buy it at Sam Ash, I better build one.’ And you just have to be strong to be in this business. I mean, I look at someone like Jimmy Page and he knows he’s talented but somehow there’s a weakness there. I don’t know why someone that talented only looks at his weak points. Mary [Ford, his deceased wife] was that way: Mary never thought she was any good. She was probably the most talented person I ever met. Mary was afraid, and I can see that even with all that talent, Eddie (Van Halen) is afraid. Why do they drink? Why do they take drugs? It’s because they’re insecure.”


    Les Paul and EVH Inteview

    Paul: Pasadena, yeah. Well, anyway my daughter used to live right near there and I said, ‘‘Who’s the guitar player over there?” And so I heard Eddie before Eddie knew I was listening to him.

    Van Halen: Did you design all the Les Pauls?

    Paul: Yeah, all of them. It all started just a couple of blocks from here [Hollywood]. That’s where my house was until they moved it. And that’s where I invented the eight-track, that’s where I invented the reverb, the delay, the echo. And sound-on-sound and the electric guitar and all that. The headless guitar among others. Steinberger.

    Van Halen: Steinberger.

    Paul: Steinberger. They just copied it. They came down and asked if there would be any friction or any ill feelings if they copied what I had done. I got the guitar out and showed it to ‘em. But I had showed it to Gibson prior to that and Gibson wasn’t interested in building one. So I said [to Steinberger] ‘I wish you luck.’

    Van Halen: When Leo Fender was doing his thing and you were doing yours, was there ever any kind of competition?

    Paul: Not at all, no.

    Van Halen: Did you ever collaborate or talk together about things?

    Paul: Oh, absolutely. Leo Fender would come right over here two blocks away on Curson Street and so would his engineers. And they saw the Log [Les Paul’s solidbody prototype], they saw the guitars that I had built, they saw me pounding them out on the pavement, they saw me making the Headless Wonder. They saw all this happening.

    Then the guitars you built for yourself are really not Gibson instruments?

    Les Paul: “When I made my deal with Gibson, they got everything but the electronics. The electronics weren’t of interest to the people out there anyway—they wanted high impedance, I wanted low impedance. I wanted a different sound, and so forth. And what we did was we made the guitars that the guitar player wanted. And the only problem I ever had—well not the only one but the only one that sticks out in my mind— was to convince the fellows up in the ivory tower that this is what the kid wants. So I have to get to the emperor somehow and convince this turkey that he ought to get his act together. And it’s very difficult to tell the president of any outfit or anybody that has any stature that what he should do is go to a music store and for a month wait on the customers. And find out just what the hell it’s all about. They don’t do that. They sit in that ivory tower and tell you what it’s all about.

    “See, they’re tooled and they’re thinking of millions of dollars to move something a quarter of an inch. That would cost a fortune. And another thing comes into the picture that I can think of which is ridiculous but true. And that is why in God’s world would you do it that way and he says, ‘My wife thinks it looks better that way.’ They’re not thinking what it sounds like, they’re thinking what it looks like.

    Van Halen: You know what I did once with one of those? It was a Les Paul Junior, a white one, double-cutaway SG body, and I had to do this slide overdub on a song called “Dirty Movies” on our fourth album. And still, even though it had a double-cutaway, I couldn’t get up high enough. So I had to take a saw to it.

    Paul: I love it, I love it.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #15092

    rorygfan
    Participant

    What’s missing out there is the melody

    And i see i am in good company and not the only one banging on that drum.

  • #15231

    rorygfan
    Participant

    Here is an idea for a real niche.

  • #15233

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Wow! Something tells me that guy goes to Burning Man 😀

    He says something very profound too:

    I made these things because after a lifetime of music I got really tired of everything sounding the same. Now, people feel like they have to play instruments, so if you just hand a random person a guitar they’ll say: OH Well I can’t play that. But usually that doesn’t happen with this, anybody can play one of these, ’cause nobody else has played ’em before, and they don’t have all that burden of expectation.

    Like, there’s no Yngwie who has already conquered the Dort or whatever any of those instruments were called. hah

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

    • #15234

      rorygfan
      Participant

      He also mentioned that he tuned all those to A Minor. Doug’s favorite key.  That allows everybody to be playing in tune and avoiding cacaphony.

      I wanted to go to burning man before it was the “hip” thing to do and procrastinated. Oh well.  Reminds me of a funny incident.. coincident….I was goofing around in the Reno Hilton on the Sunday evening it ended back in early 2000’s.  Unrelated timing and so forth.  All these zombie looking people covered from head to toe in mud and dust file in and out of the casino to use the bathrooms, it took me a few minutes to figure it out who they were.  Confirmed it from some stuck up 20 something girl with dreads… dont recall her mean spirited response to my simple question about the festival…. but was quite a sight to see them like aliens from outer space dressed strange and all grungy looking.  There are a bunch of documentaries you might want to watch before going. It has that expensive lottery now too.  Quite an event alright and grown way beyond limits of original founders in SF.  I like the event and know several people who have gone.

  • #15235

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    I went to Burning Man in the 90s, one of the last years before they made all the sites line up in rows, in an eclectic camp of crazy people. So I went in the time it was still anarchy, race across the salt flats, and towering inferno’s. It’s gotta be the safest festival on the planet, based on history of number of injuries vs number of people. More people get injured at Disneyland or something than at BM. I attribute that to a lack of alcohol at Burning Man, there’s some light drinking but not much, which keeps the vibe pretty good. I got a ton of great home video that will never see the light of day, hah 😀 I would say it is definitely something everyone into music or art should do once. Regardless of year or price. I read about the lottery and I dont know about going now, but still it should be on the “must do” list for all. I haven’t kept up with it. yea I got turned off by the hipster SF crowd and young-naive people and “jet setter caught a private plane in and leaving tomorrow” thing when I was there and afterwards but that’s a drop in the bucket compared to the absolute awe at the art projects there. Just phenomenal. It literally is another world. There is no other thing on the planet which matches it’s lack-of-commercialism and artistic spirit. In the case of that festival, just because it got bigger, it didnt lose the spirit. There will always be some % of hipster-spoiled-people or slacker-irresponsible-people at any event but at least this one is incredibly well run and huge. I saw a documentary recently on Netflix I think it was shot in 2010? No documentary could do it justice. No film resolution on any camera could do it justice.. or any amount of video tape.. the whole long event must be seen in real life, acres and acres of out-of-this-world bizarreness. It’s like an nc17-fan-created-disneyland x 100,000. People are people though. There are politics behind everyone’s door in everything, and trendy-followers everywhere. Those “omg this will change my life” types, well, that’s a little exaggerated. It’s also phenomenal (and sad) to see much of it burned to the ground. (Dont know if they do that anymore, when I went before all the rules, it literally was “torch-it-all !!!”, flames 5 stories high.) Literally, a festival celebrating the pinnacle of humanity’s creativity followed immediately by humanity’s regression to the most primitive urges. Because of the lack of alcohol-drunk people (unlike any other festival today) it had a really different vibe – not drunken recklessness, or violent-aggression, just very primal, very surreal. Sober people going out of their minds because of freedom from social norms. (Ok they weren’t sober but you know what I mean ;-D )

    60’s Woodstock (which really should never be compared to BM) wasn’t about peace & love either, it was about spoiled “anti-everything” kids storming fences and not paying fair ticket prices and being so naive they had to be rescued by real society. In the meantime there was fabulous music created. Many fans don’t remember specifics, being too bombed out of their minds at the time. There was also a lot of interpersonal/organizational politics and petty talk behind the scenes even amongst the performers, from the interviews etc I’ve seen. Some % of that is inescapable. Just gotta enjoy the moments for what they are while the getting is good I suppose.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #15236

    rorygfan
    Participant

    That’s really cool you went to it. On the photos and documentaries i was in awe. Looks really amazing and original all if it. I am into strange art and certainly would like to go, but my latina friends i want to bring can’t due to all the visa red tape entering the states even for vacations. So have to stick to other destinations. Its lost tourism $$ to europe and caribbean.
    The alcohol thing i wasnt aware of. The cleanup spotless policy is a model the world should look at too.

  • #15240

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    About guitar amp sound and rehearsal sound and live sound..

    [Edit- part of the backstory behind my going nuts about amps and pa’s and clear sound is because of the recent performance where we sounded pretty terrible, in my opinion, and some part of that, is the bass player later saying he couldn’t hear a thing, and the drummer saying, she couldn’t hear a thing either, and, still being new to dialing in different sounds for all the different cover songs I’m playing so I can’t even hear myself sometimes! The other reason is to keep a tiny portable lightweight setup to use in a quick open mic thing. Also now I see that many online reviews are simply the wrong things to read for me, because I finally started skimming the line6 gear forums and their players are on the same page, from setups like, HD500x direct when playing home or live.. whereas other guitar gear forums have a lot of.. lets say old fashioned 60s tube amp lovers’ opinions.]

    ROTM’s recent reply about this little PA (“PW50”) seems right on the money, I was looking at the bigger box (“PW100T”) a while back and trying to figure out the manufacturer (Powerwerks I guess is the same as Kustom at least in this product). These are such slim and compact units, for what they seem to offer, I have been thinking there must be a catch somewhere. Such as, volume over the drummer.

    A powered 50W mini PA that is only 18″ tall (46 cm), 15 pounds heavy (7 kg), has good frequency response, and built in 4 channel inputs, that is really cool – compared to Roland’s big-box keyboard amps and their strangely high price tags? Seems great?

    pw50

    Now I guess I see that this is similar to line array speaker configurations (or at least claimed to be, how much they share with real line arrays, I dont know). Some other amp-speaker companies design & make these. I know just a tiny theoretical bit about speaker cabinet building but not much about line arrays and especially nothing about the compact called-line-arrays-but-probably-not-really-line-arrays.

    LTA-Compact-6

    The biggest unit being 150W and still, only 28″ tall (72 cm).

    I think I got those metric units right.

    Really tho this tends towards my different (and probably naive) perspective on sound, from a music fan point of view, when I see a working-audio-engineer’s comments like this elsewhere:

    ” the sound on stage is different to what the audience will hear “

    Or youtube amp comparison shoot-outs where one combo amp is compared to another combo amp and they have different speakers or even different numbers of speakers that seem to not add up to apples-apples comparisons. Even more professional product comparisons only pair a guitar amp head to the manufacturer’s same-brand speaker as a tone sample rather than sampling the XLR output (Rob Chapman?! How is that guy even popular?).

    These things make absolutely no sense to me, since the job of all audio gear, is to perfectly represent the sound that the musician has dialed in, the closer to the source, the better. Ideally there would be tiny microphones on a guitarist’s fingertips, with perfectly flat and wide response. Regardless of the size of the space, regardless of if it is in a tiny rehearsal room or outdoors somewhere or on a stage somewhere, any listener in any of these locations, standing anywhere (near the amp or near a PA speaker), should hear the same guitar tone right? (And even the same audio volume, but that is obviously a lot tougher.) Okay what’s to blame for this difference in tone? For one, the combo amps, I assume, and the idea of mic’ing them (which colors the sound), rather than using xlr outputs from the amps into flat speakers. This has been mentioned before on this forum before at least by safetyblitz, it makes complete sense to me- guitarists should use direct out’s and monitors instead of combo amps, and if a guitarist claims “yea but wait!, my toneeee!”, well, shouldn’t the guitarist have dialed that proper tone in the mancave, using a proper setup with a flat speaker, before heading outside onto a stage? The amp already has it’s own internal EQ which should be set the way the tone is desired, and then a perfect signal sent out from there (not EQ’d by a microphone or mixer board). I dont see any complaints about the “speaker cab simulations” in particular which hints that this can’t be done, since direct-out’s have the speaker cabinet simulations built in (I guess programmable too on newer/bigger modeling amps than mine).

    The coloring of sound from mixer EQ.. I don’t understand a comment from an audio engineer, “I highpass everything, all instruments. Except the kick and bass. The higher you dare to cut it with EQ, the better.” In an ideal environment there would be no filters and no EQ at all – just flat, straight across. EQ’s are not square either, they are bumpy, too many EQ’s, makes the audio have artifacts, and removes dynamics too. I see what the intention is, to avoid feedback on various mic’s, and isolate instruments from each other and from instruments bleeding into each other’s mics (but if using direct-outs instead of mic’ing amps, much of problem would not exist anyway right?).

    All of this even easier and hifi if the drummer is using electronic drums.. meanwhile some bands say “we trigger the drum kick for live performance rather than mic it”.. they’re already using electronic drums just not very efficiently..

    So I don’t quite get this whole business. I go see good local bands and they’re doing the old traditional things. Or not routing the guitar combo amps thru the PA at all for a simpler setup, so anyone dancing gets blasted with sound from the cranked guitar amp, and the back wall doesn’t get much or gets the crispness filtered out by the people’s bodies – exaggerating a bit but not about getting blasted. (Plus the guitar 2×12 combo amp is sitting on the floor typically). Or the tiny dive bar I visit, which is very small, 60 people max?, the band sets a single huge PA speaker on one bar ledge (which has vocals and guitars I think), so anyone near it goes deaf, whereas anyone in the back doesn’t get a great mix. Much better would be several smaller speakers placed in a row or something, I don’t know.. Some of these bands do have sound guys helping them out, so it’s not only the band that is doing the setup. When I go I like to stand behind their PA so I basically don’t get any PA at all and I only hear the guitars straight from the amps and the singing directly from the vocalists’ lungs. Sounds better, tho I’m near standing on the guitarist’s toes sometimes depending on the setup.

    On the flip side of this problem, from the stage point of view, one drummer that I play with, saying, “on so-and-so song, I play my drums really loud, but at the performances I cant hear your guitar to stay in sync, so how about turning the amp towards me so I can hear it better” (since we dont have monitors) – It would seem the other half of this, to fix the problem, since the guitar combo amp is already cranked to a good level for the audience (as far as I know), is to play the drums just as aggressively, but, play the drums softer, so as to not overwhelm the guitar amp. I guess this is harder for the drummer’s musicianship, but still, seems to be more of the solution than to redirect the combo amp’s speaker sound or get a huge monitor for the drummer.

    What makes perfect sense, from my armchair at least, is using a guitar amp as if it were a multi-expression pedal, not using a guitar combo amp’s speaker or a guitar cabinet at all, and using local PA speakers and then also the room’s own PA speakers if there are any. (I guess this rules out tube amps, if they only have one tone volume: loud) Basically always using a guitar head instead of a combo amp. I am not sure of the purpose of combo amps larger than 8″ as an entire product category. They just don’t seem to add up. (Especially when manufacturers might be prone to sticking a cheap speaker in their combo amps, in order to boost profit margins, and the speaker needs replacing later anyway, to a better driver.) It would seem better to me to get a mini guitar head that is 50W and connect it to a 50W full range powered speaker, or 75W head and 75W external speaker, whatever match makes sense, rather than an combo amp with 1×10″ or 2×12″, and certainly on stage, using the speaker as a PA rather than a guitar cabinet. Maybe these guitar combo amp product lines are remnants of tube days, where a tube has to have a big load to dump all it’s power, and be cranked, in order to get proper tone, and before speaker cabinet emulation, I don’t know.

    Anyway, I don’t know enough but these are just my armchair ideas at the moment.

    I also like to remember that KISS (america’s favorite rock band) had floor to ceiling speaker cabinets on stage, from their earliest days according to interviews. But these cabinets were empty – fake – just for show. Actually that makes me recall an idea, rather than lugging gear around in milk crates, it would be better to use empty fake speaker cabinets and use that to hold gear. Hah.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

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  • #15274

    rorygfan
    Participant

    I took Sarah’s comments about Sweetwater and her cool Blackwater amp and spent some time on their video demoes. I have not done much of that with online stores before. While doing so, i noticed Blackstar has a tube pedal.  Have you thought about using that with a regular amplifer like you mention above?

    http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/HTOD1

    The other things I started to view as useful for one man band use were Abletons Push. http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Push2L9intro

    The waveforms are right there. You could probably load your entire songlist into such a device.  That or use Novations bass synth with your beat buddy pedal as a time sync. Bass station  or Novations http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/LaunchP2mini.

    Anyway, i am thinking about experimenting with this stuff in the future.  Not sure how you view the loop thing and playing live without all the people issues you mention but thought i would post this anyway.

     

     

  • #15276

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Sarah mentioned she has an HT-METAL pedal I think. What an amazing pedal. 2 channels. Amazing hi gain tone in a tiny box and I guess the tube does not need replacing (at least I cant find any mention of the tube needing replacing). I haven’t found reviews of these pedals going into frfr speakers I don’t think (powered pa’s basically). It seems strange to get a mini-tube-amp that is a standalone “tone device” and then plug it into a guitar combo amp. I am going to sell my poor little $10 yard sale amp and replace it with some tiny setup like this though that I can keep in my truck (huh, great way to get my truck broken into, admitting I keep gear in it regularly, hah). I’ve used it twice in situations where an amp was not available (and of course it was not meant for that, it’s a cheesy practice amp) I think it deserves replacing with a proper spare. Vinay has also noted that he uses a HOTONE (or similar?) which is another great super-tiny-tube-machine. Just need the (hopefully also small and light) driver/cabinet to plug it into.

    Yes I think we’re on the same page – tiny package, and playing solo perhaps as 1-man-band, and maybe that includes looping and maybe midi control – now, it’s not necessarily huge people issues per se – the guys and gals I play with in the band are great responsible adults which is awesome. Compared with others I’ve played with so far (not that many people) who were not really people I would personally hire for any type of job if you know what I mean. The band mates do have limited hours to practice (real jobs and family responsibilities etc, also perhaps they are not as into the idea of learning faster and better as I am) so I think those are the main things that limits progress. Their instructors are not great – lets face it, better instructors are in the city, not in the outskirts. To be fair though, musicians who can use DAW’s and such (like, non techno phobic) will alwas be in the minority and hard to find. Jack White couldn’t find a drummer he really clicked with until his wife sat down and jokingly started stomping the kick drum pedal. That’s crazy. Of all the situations for a great creative young musician to be in, and within a growing scene of garage rock at the time – he couldn’t find band mates that he clicked with either, creatively or technically 😮 And according to his interviews, he still “did everything” in his band other than actually physically hit the drums. Late last year I started thinking about the possibility that I might have to physically move to where ever better band mates might be, or at least, denser population, if I’m going to continue. Im not sure that would be West Hollywood especially these days. Maybe there is no longer any geographic scene. I’m not to that stage yet either, to be able to play with better people. I met the greatest local pro drummer already, the cute drummer girl (and she plays a super high end custom roland edrums kit at home), but I can’t play with her yet. Soon! Actually if I could have my choice of music projects right now, I’d start a nirvana cover band. I’m slowly adding more of Cobain’s early songs (Bleach days) into my setlist. His vocals are super high, it will take time to expand my range to do it properly (as far as I know, getting into his range should be possible with lots of practice). Worse case I could just pay for rehearsal time with a great drummer like her, its not out of the question to simply throw money at the problem if it is a good investment.

    I met this super cute tall redhead at a blues show this past week. She looked and acted like a professional career woman (turned out to be a tech startup company project manager, awesome!). Then she said she is had been a black metal vocalist for a band (what!!) and was looking to keep singing. I fell in love. A responsible adult who is hot and is also into metal? OMG. We bonded over fandom of OTEP and our dislike of emo numetal. LOL 😀 She invited me to play guitar with her for the regular open mic’s. Still, I’m not up for that yet (without sounding bad), but slowly getting closer. Granted I didn’t see her perform, so who knows where she is at, as well. On that topic, it is great having long hair, as annoying as it seems to be. Really says, “huh, that guy must be into metal, he must play.” Tho I need a trim – I have a homeless person’s hairdo right now, then again, that’s rock n roll eh? hah

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #15293

    rorygfan
    Participant

    tone in a tiny box and I guess the tube does not need replacing.
    pedals going into frfr speakers.
    standalone “tone device” and then plug it into a guitar combo amp. I am going to sell my poor little $10 yard sale amp
    I’ve used it twice in situations.

    playing solo perhaps as 1-man-band, and maybe that includes looping, the guys and gals I play with in the band are great responsible adults which is awesome. To be fair though, musicians who can use DAW’s and such (like, non techno phobic) will alwas be in the minority and hard to find. Jack White couldn’t find a drummer he really clicked with until his wife sat down and jokingly started stomping the kick drum pedal. That’s crazy. Of all the situations for a great creative young musician to be in, and within a growing scene of garage rock at the time – he couldn’t find band mates that he clicked with either, creatively or technically 😮 And according to his interviews, he still “did everything” in his band other than actually physically hit the drums. Late last year I started thinking about the possibility that I might have to physically move to where ever better band mates might be, or at least, denser population, if I’m going to continue. Im not sure that would be West Hollywood especially these days. Maybe there is no longer any geographic scene. I’m not to that stage yet either, to be able to play with better people. I met the greatest local pro drummer already, the cute drummer girl (and she plays a super high end custom roland edrums kit at home), but I can’t play with her yet. Soon! Actually if I could have my choice of music projects right now, I’d start a nirvana cover band. I’m slowly adding more of Cobain’s early songs (Bleach days) into my setlist. His vocals are super high, it will take time to expand my range to do it properly (as far as I know, getting into his range should be possible with lots of practice). Worse case I could just pay for rehearsal time with a great drummer like her, its not out of the question to simply throw money at the problem if it is a good investment.

    I met this super cute tall redhead at a blues show this past week. She looked and acted like a professional career woman (turned out to be a tech startup company project manager, awesome!). Then she said she is had been a black metal vocalist for a band (what!!) and was looking to keep singing. I fell in love. A responsible adult who is hot and is also into metal? OMG. We bonded over fandom of OTEP and our dislike of emo numetal. LOL 😀 She invited me to play guitar with her for the regular open mic’s. Still, I’m not up for that yet (without sounding bad), but slowly getting closer. Granted I didn’t see her perform, so who knows where she is at, as well. On that topic, it is great having long hair, as annoying as it seems to be. Really says, “huh, that guy must be into metal, he must play.” Tho I need a trim – I have a homeless person’s hairdo right now, then again, that’s rock n roll eh? hah

    Well I think you are heading in the right direction for where you want to go. There probably aren’t too many people as sharp as you are on tech stuff and doing internet research like you do on equipment, etc. That simply puts you in a leadership position so just go for it with people who you like or on your own. I just read abit of Tommy Lee and EDM and going out more with that genre. I like it. People want to dance so why not make that sort of music??? The family thing your friends have does get in the way. It’s a choice where you spend your time. Cool thing about doing what you like is as you say meeting your new female friend. Sounds like fun. I kept my hair long for 5 years but the old man gray bozo the clown frizz on side happened. So i cut it all off. Tying it in a ponytail at advanced age damaged it. Enjoy it while you can. As far as moving to west hollyweird or l.a.??? I wouldn’t want to deal with the traffic. I dont know where you hang your hat now but the West SFV though changed is close enough to there and air is clearer. But cooler in South Bay say Torrance or Redondo both I wanted to live in but never did. I personally would not live inland say 605 frwy or east of there. Too much smog.

  • #15300

    rorygfan
    Participant

    To be fair though, musicians who can use DAW’s and such (like, non techno phobic) will alwas be in the minority and hard to find.

    I get your frustration with alot of music stuff in your posts over quite sometime and get it. The online collaboration thing in recording like ACID planet is cool. Why is this DAW important for live stuff? If you want to collaborate only playing out concentrating on reliable people who want to play, right?

    not to that stage yet either, to be able to play with better people.

    Hey, know your limitations like Doug says in choosing what you play. However hanging with better musicians can only be beneficial. It sure worked for me, (playing bass) i absorbed and learned alot and remember those as some of my best days in my life with that band.
    Then made the mistake when i got married and moved, career, self employment workaholic and did the family thing life got in the way and regret not staying
    involved in music all these years. My point is dont regret it and get sidetracked. My point is just do it…

  • #15303

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    One thing that draws me to playing in a band is that I love the idea of a few people coming together and producing something bigger than themselves or even bigger than a larger group of people. Like the quote “some songs are bigger than the band”. I’m a startup type guy maybe from the same angle, I really dig the idea of a couple people furiously working towards creating something big & cool. I’m not much of a big-corporation type guy or independent-contracter type guy. Hmm is it like comparing to golf? Doug admits to a healthy golf habit. That is very interesting factoid I think because it is a very individualistic pursuit. Golf has never struck me as interesting (or tennis either). But rowing crew, wow, there is an amazing time in my opinion – maybe it’s same angle, a small team, when synchronized, seems to almost beat the laws of physics in terms of speed and it’s like harmony, the result seems almost bigger than the team itself. On the other hand I don’t like playing in big team sports that much. Maybe it’s something about how I like the elements of a band, like just 3 or 5 people, with those few different personality strengths which compliment each other and shine uniquely yet the voices of each don’t get drowned out by a mob of others. Interesting personal preferences right? So anyway, online collaboration could be cool, or one-man performance could be cool, but ultimately I don’t think it’s my personal preference. Maybe that is why I find the idea of world-class performers writing in private studios and sending WAV files to each other thru the internet so strange – it’s not face-to-face real time collaboration which to me seems the ideal goal, for myself anyway, well as long as logistics and geographies permit. I know some bands form just to have drinking buddies – try emailing that situation as a WAV file 😀 Hah. Like that funny quote from Sebastian Bach bashing the Skid Row guys because they wanted a vocalist “who is fun to hang with at a bbq and have a couple beers” – even though vocally there isn’t as much talent as Sebastian Bach. Bach didn’t like that, obviously, lol.

    It reminds me of MAB’s quote about Jazz. Paraphrase- “Playing Jazz is like each person playing a different song. I want to play in a band where everyone plays the same song!” \m/ \m/ 😀 I’m down with that!

    This also makes me remember something Doug said when we were talking about supposedly “naturally talented” people. Obviously I am totally addicted to music in one way or another. Even if I hadn’t decided to pick up guitar, I’d be out there going to blues bars and local dives listening to local bands and buying their hand-burned CDs. Or going to techno trance nights and dancing or something. (I dont go to drink, or get it on with tipsy people, which lets face it, thats the intention of 99% of the crowd.) This is unique, there is no other way to describe it. Probably everyone here is addicted to music too. That’s cool because music is low fat and very filling, tastes great, so, the more the better 😀 A good addiction to have. Anyways the angle was, naturals are consumed by specific interests. And this makes them so focused that they improve toward that interest, obviously. 😮 That makes everyone reading this, likely a natural at music! Sweet!

    My point about musicians having DAW skills, is that it just means they’re technically minded. It’s like a job listing that has “Must know Microsoft Word” listed, even though there’s no word processing in the job. Compare skills of the vocalist (in her 50s) that I played with back last October, who couldn’t “handle” rehearsal singing to a metronome/drum track to fix her timing – very non-non-non-non-technical type person. I’ll post a summary later because now I know more of her backstory – the verbal fights she has gotten into with other players around here (was still great to play with her once). If someone says they work in a DAW a few times a week it means not worrying about whether they can loop a section of a song to get it right, or slow it down, or transcribe something properly to make a very good cover, or receive a PDF in email and know how to open it, LOL. The fellow music people I’ve met recently, when I say, “Oh yea, I just put the track in my audio editor and slow down the verse and loop it, for practicing” — I get blank stares or “WOW, really? That’s pretty advanced” when I say that. Crazy! That’s not advanced! It would be advanced if the year was still 1999 and Cool Edit Pro had just come out. Or when I suggest a bandmate send me the video they had a family member shoot on a cellphone – Hey how about sending me & everyone that video, it would be great to review? “Uhh I don’t know how to share it” Uhh okay, can you use dropbox? “What’s that, oh I’ve heard of that, but how do you use it?” *facepalm* It is 2016, people, hah. Cloud file sharing has been out for what like 10 years now? 😀 It would be great to play with another guitarist who also uses GP6. Amazing progress could be made! How about the vocalist who rehearses using a microphone from a Walmart karaoke set, hah. I’m playing a $900 guitar and they’re using a $9.99 mic and didn’t know what frequency response meant? Ouch. Even if I’m just playing with someone randomly, I’d much prefer that they have good technical skills. That is definitely the aspect that will be rare in artist crowds.

    on the “just do it” topic: cliff hanger!
    I am gonna have very interesting updates to post next week 😮

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #15309

    Sean
    Participant

    I’m  very intrigued! I’ll have set my Tivo the the Superblonde channel!!

    Tell me and I will forget ,show me and I'll remember, involve me and I'll understand

  • #15339

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Quirky story about the 7 degrees of separation in music.

    Decided at last minute to check out an open mic at a cafe nearby, a place I always pass but never go into, its the type of cafe typically filled with girls in dreadlocks sipping carrot juice, that kinda thing. It’s in a funky part of town, sometimes sketchy. Everyone in town knows the service at this cafe blows chunks and always has, but they go anyways (I did..once.. not to go again), since they have like, sprouts grown in their backyard or whatever, and menus written in colored chalk. Meh. But they also have a late nite open mic nite which promises a totally different crowd than the ones I’ve seen. So I drive over there and park across the highway and Im waiting to j-walk to the place and this guy on the other side of the street, tall lanky longhaired guy who looks like a homeless dude carrying a skateboard, stops walking and stares at me trying to j-walk and hangs out waiting. I was idly trying to decide while j-walking if he was going to jump me or not.. ok story timewarp flashback..

    A couple months ago in parallel to complaining about rock being dead and not being able to find new music, I was searching the web for local venue calendars. Most of the websites of the venues, bars or bar-restaurants, don’t reliably post the bands playing there. -facepalm- They host bands but don’t post the names of the bands on their websites? Some of these sites even have event calendars. The calendars are blank or wrong. Some have facebook pages, which are also out of date. This is so bad. It is not so difficult to just crosspost a twitter stream to a web site. Then just tweet event updates! There used to be a big web site run for years by some local music dude which listed tons of METAL bars and clubs with which band was playing where, it was an encyclopedia of local shows, tho more oriented for city (40 mi away), and it went out of maintenance when that web guy finally moved onto something else. It was called, Metal SoCal something or other. So recently after again searching the web for events I ran across a new events site – obviously only a couple months old – which was a collection of local bands playing where, with all the dive places that I recognize, as it’s oriented for the local neighborhood instead of the city. Cool! But the site was still reaching maturity. I bookmarked the site and visited a couple times.. seemed to be accurate as well for those places it listed. Obviously a rock fan somewhere, also looking for classic and new sounds.. took it upon himself to make it happen, when the venues themselves don’t. (Still, a big mystery why bars don’t want to advertise their own shows!) Ok third timewarp flashback..

    The new young bass player in our band gets carpooled by an older guy who is part of a community group. I dont ask and I don’t really want to know. it would make me too biased. There’s religion involved. I hear a phrase sometimes, “Yeah, their hearts are in the right place.” Uhh, I beg to differ when it comes to organized religion. Anyways the older guy has a photography biz. Found out about this when he discovered the band videos I posted up and he thought they were cool. Obviously because of his connection to the band, he is interested in seeing us play live, filming the bass player with the band, etc. Fun stuff. Cool to have a photographer around, right? I figured I’d have to see how that panned out. Ok timewarp flash back to me crossing the street.

    So I’m crossing the street waiting to get clubbed by some random tall longhaired guy with a skateboard in front of a hipster cafe, I know the soundtrack to this horrible yet inevitable event will be some bad folk music that is being sung by the open mic people, and Tarantino will remake this scene in a movie in slo-mo with tons of fake blood spurting everywhere. I get on the curb and the dude calls out “Hey superblonde!” Whoa, it’s this guy – the bass player’s carpool ride! Cool coincidence to run into him. Also cool not getting jumped by some meth user with a skateboard. I look like a homeless guy myself since I need a haircut too, yet refuse to get one, so I shouldn’t judge anyone by messy long hair styles. Anyways we get to talking about our band performance coming up soon – I am a bit stressed about it. A few weeks ago I had explained to him how to use GoPro’s to video our performance for maximum coverage and also easy video editing by me later. Since he’s a photographer, and also has the personal connection to the band’s video, he was excited about these ideas. He has unused GoPro’s of course, that he could easily employ. I’ll have to pick up a hard drive to give him in order to get the gigs of data I’ll get back. Gigs and gigs of video. From my perspective of setup it’s pretty sweet – I’m stressed enough when starting to play and dont like worrying about whether or not I pressed the right button on my video camera (one of our previous shows that turned out great, I forgot to press the record button.. camera shut itself off after sitting idle and didnt film a thing 🙁 ) or worrying if someone is going to knock over the tripod, or worse, stand right next to the tripod talking gibberish about their pet poodle or something, destroying the audio quality (it has happened). Tada, we now have a 3rd party band photographer, so to speak, and it’s a pro with good gear. He tells me about a couple previous jobs where he was shooting videos for small LA bands (hi def with gimbal etc). Cool right? We shared some complaints about the flaky nature of live recordings (like, people shoot video, dont share it, or, you share video to someone to edit with promises of getting something back, and never get anything. Video is strange like that.) He was checking out the open mic himself, looking for cool sounds and such, and was headed to another venue where another band was going to start playing.

    Then he says, Hey, I started this new band web site recently, the web site lists what bands are playing where, it’s so hard to find and follow local bands, because the local venues don’t update their info. And he hands me this card with a web site in big letters on it. Take a guess what the website was..

    Funny how things tie together sometimes. Its too bizarre, I couldnt make it up if I wanted to.

    Then he says, Oh yea, that band you were talking about, the blues guy you said was really good, I put him on the front page of the site, I hadnt heard the name before. That’s pretty cool too.

    Hope his event site lasts, it’s pretty cool so far.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #15353

    AlleyCatRocker1980s
    Participant

    Ever since I picked up guitar I’ve been wondering the basic question “how good is good enough” – it seems the best way to compare skill levels is to play with other people and work thru something. Then it becomes more clear what I’m good at and what others are better at, or even, how they are doing what they’re doing (like, how they’re figuring out how to play songs.. compared to the way I try to figure them out, which takes me forever). Given my current meager skill level, I guess the skill for playing covers to a dive bar is, well, may not take a ton of skill let’s put it that way. As I’ve been scanning around for others to play with locally, I see these ads like “Established local originals band looking for 2nd guitarist” and they say, “here’s our songs on youtube, if you like what you hear, learn 4 of our songs and schedule an audition”. Strangely I guess that’s just the way it works? Anyway, I sent an email to one of these bands which had more of an “adult band” back story, not asking to audition, instead asking them a couple logistic questions (how much are they paying for rehearsal space locally, how they first found a drummer locally, etc) and I included one of my cover videos to put things in context. Unexpectedly he replies: “how about rehearsing for us, learn our 3 original songs from youtube and stop by our audition tomorrow”. Tomorrow? Well on the scale of “good enough”, that is just way too hard. Transcribe 3 new original songs in a day? With the hope that spending the time is even a good investment? Without anything written to go on? Seems kind of whacky to me. I guess learning like that must be really easy for more experienced guitarists then. In comparison I wouldn’t, hm, I dunno, go look for a building contractor to build a new fence around a house and say: okay, here’s a selfie of me standing in my front yard taken with my iPhone that I uploaded to twitter, if you want to compete for the bid, check out the tweets and show up with architectural drawings at our builders’ meeting tomorrow. For these bands wouldn’t it be more sensible to send out at least a brief song chart that lists the song form or the chord progression or something? That to me would be professional. I guess not, in music? Although I guess no one in rock really uses written notation anyway. I still can’t figure out how others in my own band are learning their material because they never seem to be putting book-work/homework into it (other than simply playing along with the tracks). I show up with several notebook pages of stuff on each song that I have to use as notation as I figure each song out.. (the answer is yes, I’m gonna jam on their 3 songs, go to their audition, should be fun, tho I doubt I’ll make the grade)

    You can never be good enough, The idea is to have Love for the Guitar,& to wich you believe in Music Wise. And to keep improving, and not to forget

    where you once were at one time. An to be proud of how far you’ve come Musically.

    Practicing Guitar

  • #15363

    AlleyCatRocker1980s
    Participant

    I want to come to California!

    Practicing Guitar

  • #15608

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Today our band has our longest show yet, 4 hour timeslot. There was a note sent out that it’s ok to repeat some songs, which we might do, I don’t know (we only have enough to really play for 3 hours). It will go ok (especially since we are warm from the previous recent shows) except the drummer sent everyone email on tuesday that she sprained her ankle really bad so we will have a substitute drummer, that will be different. Unlike our previous 2 trainwrecks of rock n roll, this one will be much better, because we simply didnt have enough time spent on the previous songs for those not-great-sounding shows.

    Last nite around 6pm the new young bassist sent this short email to everyone which is very sad 🙁 not just because he is leaving maybe for good this time, but because his instructor(s) made him feel very bad about himself or at minimum didn’t prepare him adequately for his part in the group.

    i just want to let you all know im quiting the band i dont have what it takes

    I hope this young guy doesn’t go thru a chunk of life thinking that he doesn’t have what it takes for anything, music or whatever it might be. 🙁

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

    • #15611

      AlleyCatRocker1980s
      Participant

      Today our band has our longest show yet, 4 hour timeslot. There was a note sent out that it’s ok to repeat some songs, which we might do, I don’t know (we only have enough to really play for 3 hours). It will go ok (especially since we are warm from the previous recent shows) except the drummer sent everyone email on tuesday that she sprained her ankle really bad so we will have a substitute drummer, that will be different. Unlike our previous 2 trainwrecks of rock n roll, this one will be much better, because we simply didnt have enough time spent on the previous songs for those not-great-sounding shows. Last nite around 6pm the new young bassist sent this short email to everyone which is very sad :-( not just because he is leaving maybe for good this time, but because his instructor(s) made him feel very bad about himself or at minimum didn’t prepare him adequately for his part in the group.

      i just want to let you all know im quiting the band i dont have what it takes

      I hope this young guy doesn’t go thru a chunk of life thinking that he doesn’t have what it takes for anything, music or whatever it might be. :-(

      Very true Sb, Maby the young guy needs a lil time away from playing in the Band to re group his strategies. I’ve always thought that when a person,

      feels they don’t have what it takes for anything,then maby a step back an a new Game Plan is in order. If I was him I wouldn’t leave the Band.

      He just needs a lil time to re-afirm his belief in himself. An then go back in a work harder,as a Bass Player & have confidence in his Convictions.

      I hope it works out for you Guy’s Sb, I see this year as your best year in Music Sb….I’m here rooting for you Guy’s  🙂

      AlleyCat

      Practicing Guitar

  • #15609

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    You can never be good enough, The idea is to have Love for the Guitar,& to wich you believe in Music Wise. And to keep improving, and not to forget

    where you once were at one time. An to be proud of how far you’ve come Musically.

    Maybe that phrase “how good is good enough” is not the right phrase. The real phrase should be: “How bad is too bad?” 😀

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #15612

    AlleyCatRocker1980s
    Participant

    You can never be good enough, The idea is to have Love for the Guitar,& to wich you believe in Music Wise. And to keep improving, and not to forget where you once were at one time. An to be proud of how far you’ve come Musically.

    Maybe that phrase “how good is good enough” is not the right phrase. The real phrase should be: “How bad is too bad?” 😀

    I guess what I was trying to convey is that a Guitar Player, can be as good as VanHalen, Iommi,or MAB they can be Masters of the Guitar FretBoard an

    actually be good enough! But the idea of being a Guitar Player..an a good one at that. Is to never stop learning something new,to keep advancing!

    I use to just hate to hear the saying,for every good Guitar Player theres always someone better out there..

    But actually there is a lot of truth to the saying, it can happen in any perfession so that is why a Musician,has to stay at the top of his game!

    To keep abreast of the Modern Technology,in Music an also the latest Gadgets to enhance his playing…Keeping abreast of the latest Trends etc.

    Music doesn’t sit still for long,it’s for ever changing & growing.

    AlleyCat

     

    Practicing Guitar

  • #15617

    joaopazguitar
    Participant

    Last nite around 6pm the new young bassist sent this short email to everyone which is very sad not just because he is leaving maybe for good this time, but because his instructor(s) made him feel very bad about himself or at minimum didn’t prepare him adequately for his part in the group.

    Man.. I totally hate it when I hear something like this – way too often I get students, coming in from previous schools/teachers with a similar “ticket” … “he’s too much” “she’s too less” “he’s not fit” “she doesn’t have” .. only to witness a few weeks later that these kids are just like any other – and that is: EVERYONE’S DIFFERENT and teachers much understand that and dig until they find a way in.

     

    If your friend wants a couple of months of free Skype lessons, just send him my way – absolutely no catch.

     

    Hope you have a great concert! Wow, 4 hours? How many sets?

  • #15621

    AlleyCatRocker1980s
    Participant

    Last nite around 6pm the new young bassist sent this short email to everyone which is very sad not just because he is leaving maybe for good this time, but because his instructor(s) made him feel very bad about himself or at minimum didn’t prepare him adequately for his part in the group.

    Man.. I totally hate it when I hear something like this – way too often I get students, coming in from previous schools/teachers with a similar “ticket” … “he’s too much” “she’s too less” “he’s not fit” “she doesn’t have” .. only to witness a few weeks later that these kids are just like any other – and that is: EVERYONE’S DIFFERENT and teachers much understand that and dig until they find a way in.

    If your friend wants a couple of months of free Skype lessons, just send him my way – absolutely no catch.

    Hope you have a great concert! Wow, 4 hours? How many sets?

    Wow Joao what a good man, you are.. That young Basses will have a good Teacher in you 🙂

    Practicing Guitar

  • #15629

    joaopazguitar
    Participant

    Wow Joao what a good man, you are.. That young Basses will have a good Teacher in you

    🙂 I do have a couple of bass guitar students (adults) but I was referring to my young violin kids 🙂 It really brakes our heart when a parent comes in with a kid that was considered “less able” at other school/teacher. I’m not saying that everyone has exactly the same potential or ease, but with time “natural born talent” IS really irrelevant compared with the results obtained by hard, regular work – and will power.

  • #15639

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    I saw the coolest ‘old dude’ rock cover band last nite at the tiny local dive bar, in terms of their sound, such great clarity and yet NOT loud at all, very well mixed, one of the best I have seen around in years in terms of perfect-volume setup, both guitarists were using multi effects pedals (one was boss me-50, is it?), the rhythm guitarist/singer said he was only using a couple of its effects tho and behind him was a small mesa boogie amp on a chair (10″ combo amp? no bigger than that), and what was so detailed about their sound was the lead guitarist, who was definitely amp-less, and running himself into two small PA speakers, Crate pe10t (I think that’s the model, anyway, crate 10″) on floor stands set to head level, and these were very widely spaced across the side of the bar rather than like the other bands do: bring huge combo amps and basically stand/sit/play on top them all bunched up together in the corner. The lead guitarist also had one of those small mackie ‘personal monitor’ units on a stand raising it to waist level and simply pointed at his head. They played a couple funk songs not just classic rock (stevie wonder) and the lead guitarist did something on his pedal, and had (what I guess is) an external piezo pickup mounted on his guitar, and he made his guitar sound like a keyboard synth for one song. He was playing the keyboard virtually, by playing guitar licks. I talked to the rhythm guitarist a little about how they had a great modern setup with portable/small-venue-fitting gear and he agreed it was great for the space except for the drummer who is taking up a ton of the corner space and they’re all crowded in there. (The drummer literally had to squeeze-duck past the kit and cymbals to sit behind it) I mentioned their drummer was still using technology from 1920 and why not go edrums? He couldn’t say. I should have asked the drummer. They had a great bassist with a very tall setup of some kind, I guess combo bass amp with 18″ speaker, I don’t recognize bass gear really. It is funny to see three guys with guitars (that count includes bass) all in a corner of a bar and unable to move otherwise they’ll bump things with their guitars. it would have been neat to take some quickie photo snaps of their setup to draw it out later..

    Edit.. there were several times when the lead guitarist was playing, but I heard no audio. At times for some lead licks I thought he was fiddling around during a song but I think he was really playing and I couldn’t hear it. If he was using stereo-out then this would make sense as a mistake in the setup. I was standing next to the left pa, and if his lead playing was in the right pa at that time, on the other side of the bar, it might be that I wouldn’t hear it at all. So note to self, I guess, don’t use stereo, use mono, because both channels probably won’t reach the width of the audience so they’ll hear either mono, or nothing at all.

    I guess I should start a list of what, to me, would be an ideal band to play in. Probably a very naive opinion. First, all guitars and basses would be headless. There is just no sense lugging that extra weight and waving that extra length around. If I’ve gotta help move gear then it is gonna be light and small gear especially if there is no compromise. The guitarists would use multieffects pedals only, like Line6 HD500 as has been praised here or similar, with XLR out or line out to good PA speakers, not line-out to guitar cabinets or guitar combo amps. I don’t know about setting up PA sound but there seem to be many good options of powered speakers which are lighter and yet have great response. I assume that vocals and guitars can exist happily in the same PA speaker (why not, that’s what a home theatre does) and bass also with a separate sub. Obviously with my rants about drums I think some kind of edrum setup would be needed, that probably means something like an 8-zone rectangular pad and real metal yet edrum e-cymbals, with some controller that has upgraded builtin sounds (no laptop needed). The edrums would need it’s own sub I suppose, that would have to be oversized large to overcome any doubts about ‘good sound from edrums’, and probably 2 separate PA/monitors for stereo under the e-cymbals. Actually I don’t see why edrummers use stands manufactured for acoustic drums (like snare stands) to hold edrum gear, since the drum kit should just be made custom for the edrums. Just find a local machine shop and machinist, get something made and make it metal! And no keyboard because keyboards are not rock n roll!! (Sorry, EVH.) Plus they take up way too much space for what they add to a song so even if there is a keyboard part, it should be played with a newer instrument like one of those MIDI/synth pads, small and compact not in a 5′ long inefficient linear layout like a piano. (Most of the real estate of a piano key is unused! Those long keys aren’t needed if there’s no mechanical lever action involved, and scoff at any purist who says “it doesn’t have the feel or the weight of real ivory’s”!) Recently I have had to lug keyboardist’s gear and it is a pain, totally not a good return on investment. And of course a very stylish tip jar “of form yet to be determined”. Oh yea and NO IPAD’s. It seems more and more bands are using ipads for lyrics. iPads are only a few years old so what did the frontman do before? They had to memorize lyrics, yes? So either band today are playing a huge range of songs whereby the frontman can’t learn all the lyrics to suit the setlist, or bands are getting lazy, either way, I want the frontman (even if it is a guitarist) to sing to the audience, not sing to an iPad. Okay, I am guilty of using a music stand with paper lyrics for 2 out of the 4 the songs I sing and play now, but, I’m a newbie 😛 . Now after all that it seems it trading off getting rid of guitar amps and acoustic drums only to replace them with more speakers, maybe that’s true, I don’t know. I’m not sure how many members would be in my ideal band. I guess I always thought it would be 3. Then the new blues-garage-rock duos like Black Keys came on the scene, and no one can find bandmates anymore apparently, so I thought, okay, maybe 2. Hard to make melodic solos with only 2 people in a band. And dueling guitars is pretty cool so that would be 5 (adding a vocalist). I wonder how bands make this choice which really shapes their entire trajectory later. GnR seemed to have like 6 or 7 or 8 members playing, depending on which songs at which point in their legacy. Definitely going ska-sized for me is out of a question. How those bands even fit on stage I have no idea.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #15658

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Check this out- to help onstage volume control.

    http://www.clearsonic.com/amp_isolation.htm

    That is very interesting because I saw those used for the first time fairly recently. New to me because I dont go to larger shows, just small dives and local clubs. I guess others might see them more often. I dont want to mix up the bands so I wont say who it was, but it was a large theater show of a worldwide blues guitarist, and his rhythm guitarist had one of these clear baffles in front of his huge combo amp, which was also on a small stand. I couldn’t figure out what it was at first, it looked like a museum barricade for the amp 😀 Then I figured it was for redirecting the sound (up instead of forward). Seems like a good solution for the 1960’s before master volume or DI was invented. To me it’s a head scratcher for why this kind of mechanical solution would be used today – “just get a better amp!” – unless it’s in some special show like, rock n roll hall of fame (ok maybe that’s a bad example) where only true authentic vintage gear is being used for historical reasons.

    Speaking of vintage I was watching some Jack White / Wanda Jackson collaboration videos last nite and they were talking about Nashville and how it was such a great music scene there (because of so many top level pro artists in residence to collaborate with). Of course Jack White has some country in his music style so maybe he likes the twang environment more. But it got me wondering if Nashville is the new scene for the “next/new” rock breakout bands. Certainly all of today’s top pop artists/songwriters are either in, or have gone thru, Nashville. That city doesn’t seem very heavy metal to me though but who am I, hah. It’s near the Smokey Mountains, those are pretty creepy cool.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #15659

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    In relation to my opinions about speakers and amps I realized several months ago that reading certain other very popular guitar forums is not a great idea unless strongly taking into consideration the context of the players and even then it might not be a great idea 😛 . There are a lot more old schoolers out there than techies so the conversation will always be skewed (“tubes are for realzz!”) and plus it is impossible in some conversations to get the context because people don’t say what or how they play. I mean a very helpful person can make a great technically detailed essay then maybe in some other topic it comes up that they play in a jazz duo or a church somewhere.. it just will not match rock n roll in a bar or club. However I probably should have started reading the Line 6 forums much earlier because the guitarists on Line 6’s site are more closely aligned not only to what metalheads might play but also the technie stuff of DSP modelling and being light on the shoulders, some of those discussions reference specific posts elsewhere which are kind of vetted as being good opinions. That’s where I found this quote: ” I think everybody with an HD500, should own an FRFR. As this thread shows, FRFR’s don’t have to be 700 bucks…could be more like 250 or 300. … Pickup an HD500 off the forums (425 shipped), get a Mackie Thump (300 shipped) and you have all the ingredients for effects and tone in 1 trip to your car. “ Those were 2011 prices $ US and referring to Makie TH-12A. Unfortunately the same downfall applies, the guitarist doesn’t say where or what style of music is in play. Anyway that quote can be found in a seemingly good gear post on another forum with this title: “My search for Inexpensive FRFR for HD500 (Solved)” Music forums should have a rule: all posters have to include the genre of music they play in their posting signature. My perspectives could be completely wrong. I dunno but it makes sense to me, that lighter and smaller and more musically transparent is better. It’s why the iPhone keeps getting slimmer and slimmer, yet still more powerful, and few claim “I want my iPhone 2 back! It had the perfect tone and icon colors!”.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #15660

    rorygfan
    Participant

    That is very interesting because I saw those used for the first time fairly recently. New to me because I dont go to larger shows, just small dives and local clubs.

    I recall you were talking about onstage volume balance earlier I believe in that post, hence recalling this solution.  I have not seen them used often, back in 2004 in a small bar club I saw Joe Bonamassa use them- again small place and only 50-60 people.  He was using the Marshall Silver Jubilees cranked up to get that Marshall tone and not at the same time blast away everybody close up.  I went to 2 shows that year to see him at the time and  was before he got popular, I don’t know what he uses now exactly but I do remember the sound was CLEAR, and was awesome.  Eric Czar who a super bassist was in the line up then and the mix I just recall as being fantastic and not blaring in my ears even though it was loud.

  • #15669

    safetyblitz
    Participant

    But it got me wondering if Nashville is the new scene for the “next/new” rock breakout bands.

    Only if those bands figure they can make more money playing rock than country.

  • #15671

    safetyblitz
    Participant

    yet still more powerful, and few claim “I want my iPhone 2 back! It had the perfect tone and icon colors!”.

    While the iphone example holds up, there are other instance where successive iterations of products can decline in quality, because the newer version makes design changes intended to reduce the cost to manufacture rather than improve the experience for the consumer.

    But in the case of guitar amps, I think what it comes down to is: at some point, software modelling of tube amps will become impossible for *ANYONE* to distinguish from “authentic” tube amps in blind tests. People can debate whether that point has been reached yet (probably not quite there yet, but getting very close).

    Even if we accept the premises “where a difference is detectable, tube is better” and “some guitarists can reliably tell “real” tube from modeling in blind tests”, what “tube snob” guitarists ignore is that there are other mitigating factors in live performance which mean that today it is so close to impossible for the *AUDIENCE* to distinguish modeled tone from “authentic” tube tone, that the only person it matters to is themselves. It’s like thinking the audience cares what you had for breakfast that morning. It only matters to them to the extent that it affects what they see and hear when the show starts. If a highly talented band plays a show using one of the better modern modelers for the guitar sound, how many people in the crowd will walk out saying “gee, that show could have been great, but the guitar player just didn’t sound right”. Maybe 1 out of 100, and it’s because he’s a guitar player himself and he looked at what gear was on stage before he opened his mouth.

    Even if the modeling were a little further away from “real” tube tone than it is today, the difference in convenience, cost, reliability and flexibity is skewed so heavily in favor of modeling that I think tube gear is only justified if the audience demands it (e.g. for a player who has determined that the “mystique” of vintage gear is an important part of his branding).

  • #15672

    pipelineaudio
    Participant

    I like your forward thinking superblonde. Of course this would set you up for a lynching in most of the arguments that span 20+ pages I get into with the Luddites.

  • #15673

    AlleyCatRocker1980s
    Participant

    Wow Joao what a good man, you are.. That young Basses will have a good Teacher in you

    :) I do have a couple of bass guitar students (adults) but I was referring to my young violin kids :) It really brakes our heart when a parent comes in with a kid that was considered “less able” at other school/teacher. I’m not saying that everyone has exactly the same potential or ease, but with time “natural born talent” IS really irrelevant compared with the results obtained by hard, regular work – and will power.

    Exactly Joao, Young kids need reinforcement, when they first start their Musicians  Years. It’s terrible when anyone comes at them,

    telling them things that can stall their early learning process. I went through it with both my parents,at a very early age.

    I have great respect in anyone,that reinforces a Childs Musical Developement. I totally appreciate you Joao 🙂

    Practicing Guitar

  • #15674

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Rory before I forget I want to mention the regional burningmans.. they call them mini-burns. Check the main web site, they are all over the world at different times of year, so if you’re not able to go to the main one, you might want to check out a local one. I am sure they have incredible local artist crazy people attending, not only unique local flavor but simply amazing artistic talent.

    I think with tube amps and combo amps, I keep forgetting that a big part of that ‘desired tone’ some guitarists have dialed in, is the sound of the cranked up speaker basically physically destroying itself from overload. Going into nonlinear behavior and that means volume. But.. The recent user reviews of the Line 6 Helix really do say, it is the definitive old school amp killer. At least with the HD500, as good as it has been reviewed, there has always been the “it’s almost, just almost, quite there” margin. I know that the price of the Helix is in another ballpark than the HD500 (like, 3x the cost). But I don’t think of cost in those terms either. What’s the cost on not being able to play with someone in a cool spontaneous situation because there is no 2nd amp, or the cost on using a gear setup during an amazing live show yet not being personally satisfied by far, with how things sound. I mean, it’s like putting a price tag an experience itself. For something that a player might practice through, for hours a day, every day for years. For that, maybe 3x cost is not too much. People choose to upgrade car packages when buying a car and that’s far in excess of a $2000 gear setup. Sure, throw in the leather seats, it’s only that much more. So the way many of the gear conversations are based on price as the #1 factor, is not the right focus. Sure, music gear with all the romanticism surrounding the genre, is often priced way beyond what it should be (like some of Roland’s gear). But still. I had to carry my fellow guitarist’s amplifier for over 6 blocks to the recent show (well, I volunteered to carry it, she couldn’t handle it) because all the city streets were blocked off and many performers ended up walking in rather than manage the chaos. It is a medium size Fender Reverb old-school-looking amplifier 1×10″ and probably weighs 25-30 lbs? Her guitar & case also weighs a ton (semi hollow body in hard case). Meanwhile my guitar weighs like 7 lbs in soft case on my back, it is barely noticeable. 😛 Huh, how’d I end up carrying all three at one point?! LOL Women! 😮

    About the bassist problem, Joao, that is an incredible offer to give the young bassist a remote lesson. Here is the update- this afternoon he sent the group-

    hey every one i want to let you know that im going to come back
    tonight im going to give it another shot

    and tonight he was at rehearsal with a huge smile on his face. So for now I think he is in good hands, probably his folks convinced him to give it another go (try #3, of the ones I’ve seen), I’ve seen firsthand that he has a strong personal support network of some type. The backstory to this, and I don’t know or want to know the details, is that he is somehow a little impaired, how, or how much, I am not going to guess, as long as he can play and work hard, it does not bother me. He seems at least as or more together as another bass player I was jamming with, who certainly was not the sharpest knife in the drawer by a long shot. The impairment thing made it doubly sad to me that he would get down on himself. It’s one thing to decide “this takes too much practice time and I have to chase a career or family or don’t really have that much interest” or whatever, it’s something else to give up completely as an unattainable goal. Especially BASS, hah! 😛 He had sent another followup message saying that he didn’t want to spend the time and simply “its just i only like playing music when i feel like it”. That may or may not be the whole story too. Well again, it’s up to his bass instructor(s), to get him on a discipline or schedule or some routine, or friggin pick easier songs. Now to see him back and smiling and super excited, is great. Tho I did suggest to his instructor after everyone had left, that the instructor might provide some direction to get him working with a metronome regularly 😀 I’m not the greatest at discipline or scheduled practice myself, but somehow I end up playing at least a couple hours a day, definitely that is not enough to be sure, but still, it’s enough to make continual gains.. I am miffed myself at the band for picking too-hard-for-me songs. Pretty much every time there is a chance to pick between two songs, the harder song is picked (faster tempo, or more complex form, or more lead parts, whatever). I mention the songs are too fast and they get put on the setlist anyway.. I recommended we play the unplugged version of a Nirvana song (slower tempo and easily manageable within a time frame), the one that is put on the setlist is the faster, harder version. “Oh you can learn the solo, it’s easy, it sounds fine already, anyway, no one will know” WTH. It is a bit ridiculous to me and frankly I think just an immature ego problem at work behind the scenes. So I know where the bassist is coming from if he feels overwhelmed with what he feels he has to do. Even if it is just root notes 😛

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #15675

    pipelineaudio
    Participant

    I am a HUGE amp sim/ amp DSP fan and pusher but we still have some massive issues to tackle in nonlinear processes. I know some one will shout Eureka sooner or later, but right now, its head scratching.

    Even at 64 times oversampling, we have some issues, I made a short video showing some of it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCANuKa9ULU

  • #15700

    joaopazguitar
    Participant

    …adding my 2 cents to the amps discussion.

    Before that, as requested, my technical sig: Joao Paz, 52, I play jazz, current setup —> guitar > cable > amp (clean channel)

    Short off-topic note : I’ve been through a huge quest, lately, deciding on which of my guitars is my main, and which set of strings is my favorite…. before my season here at MM I was comfortably playing my flatwounds… but then I loaded some Fender .010s on one of my Teles and it all came back to me; today (today really) I think I settled for the D’Addario EJ21 – a crossover between rock/jazz. Guitars, I narrowed my electric to 3, in this order: Ibanez AS153, Gibson LPJ 2014, G&L S-500 Strat. The following notes about amps are fit on any of these guitars.

     

    So, about the amps:

    When I started with Jazz I did lots of Googlin’ and ended up buying the following amps because of that:

    Fender Hot Rod Deluxe III (tube, 40W) : around 800 Eur, new (not sure)

    Roland Cube 60 (old model, solid state, 60W) : 150 Eur, used

    Roland Cube 30 (old model, solid state, 30W) : 90 Eur, used

    Roland Cube Bass 30XL (newer model, solid state, 30W but for bass) : 120 Eur, new

     

    The Cube30 was the first one I bought I got me hooked. Everything in it. The size, the weight, the sound. To this date it’s performing exactly as on day 1 – amazing.

    The Cube60 (I have 2) – this was the Nr 1 solid state choice in a poll among jazz guitarists. The sound is warm and really great, and fit for jazz – if I choose the JC (Jazz Chorus) channel – which I think sounds even better than the real Fender JC I tested … – the size is great, the weight is great…. really an amp for the working musician .. BUT the input jack plug is made of plastic, I broke it in a flash and had to replace it and it didn’t come cheap. My other Cube60 developed a nagging noise, something static that comes and goes but really makes the amp unreliable.

    The Fender Hot Rod Deluxe III (tube) – on the sound department this is easily the winner… but on everything else I *hate* this amp. Soundwise this amp is … tridimensional. Is deeper than the others. The Cubes 60 sound awsome but at the same time they feel “flat” .. still, sometimes I play them both in stereo and like that they come very close to my tube amp. Still not as pure… Back to the Fender: I payed for it around 800 Eur, new. The rubber handle broke on the very first day, but that came as no surprise as on every forum people were mentioning it… still this say something about Fender (a brand that goes down and down on my personal book on a daily basis .. not to be confused with Leo Fender, I mean Fender today…) So…. the spring reverb on the amp disconnected twice already – second time was today, I that’s why I’m writing this post! – but I must say that this amp has been sitting at music school teacher’s room since I bought it! I just carry it on my arms once a week to the rehearsal room … which is a mere 5 feet travel. Still this thing disconnected the reverb twice. Then it weights a ton. And on top of that I hate all the controls, I can do little with them … at least for jazz.

     

    But then yesterday I had a fun experience.. we were rehearsing for a school audition. I had my Fender with me and one of my students was playing through my small Cube 30. I walked 10 feet away from both amps that were standing side by side. … and I had this revelation : the small-used-90buck-Cube30 was easily overshadowing my New-800-Eur-Fender-Hot-Rod-Deluxe-III-Limited-Edition-Amp.  This will be hard to overcome!

     

    As for the Cube30 Bass amp – it sounds great on guitar, but like a “specialty”, if I want to dial some very specific sounds. Still, for bass, I tested another smallish amp, a Fender Bronco 40 and the difference was incredible, and the Fender won this time, with a silk-smooth sound.

    Conclusion, sort of…

    If I had to give an advice to someone about amps, I’d say: Buy solid state, buy used, try them extensively before buying if you can. Check for plastic on crucial parts. Then walk a few minutes just carrying the amp around… this is important if you’re a working musician. Amps are way more crucial to your sound than the guitar you’re playing. If you have even a cheap guitar with a correct setup and shielding, that plays nice and has some mojo that you really connect to, then concentrate on the amp .. you can go from sounding like a shoebox to a pro session musician just by your amps choice.

     

     

     

     

  • #15853

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    I am really glad to hear all that. Several weeks ago when I went on this amp consideration comparison thing more seriously, after tons and tons of time comparing things, I ended up putting a big tube amp in my shopping cart. Got to the ‘checkout’ button press and after a long while of consideration on advice from MM peeps all around, I closed that web page and shopping cart never to return 😀 Whew. Instead I am definitely going to get, timeline undecided, a multieffects pedal board of some type (choice also undecided but the options are obvious there) and a really good powered pa speaker maybe like 15″ but depends on weight. The PA speakers are surprisingly light.

    Today I went to a local band showcase in the city. I saw this local surf-rockabilly-garage semi-touring band that I have been eying for a long time. Sometimes they post ads looking for a new rhythm guitar player. Their songs are sooo cool. They have a new CD out and an original old one I never got, so I picked up both for $10, what a steal. But their business sense was not so good.. I had to chase them down twice to get this CD and they didn’t push for me to join a band fanlist or anything, the simplest things. It’s really important today isn’t it, since there is no industry support? Artists have to do it themselves because no one else will.

    At the band showcase I ran into this lead player/guitar instructor dude who I saw fronting some cover bands previously. I got to talking about what bands are looking for who. He started seeing if I would fit the latest member lineup of his Green Day lookalike-tribute band. He didn’t seem enthusiastic when I said I played a headless guitar, because Green Day doesn’t play those. He offered that he has like 20 guitars and I could play any of those, instead. (Yea, right. :-/ ) I don’t know much about Green Day, I’m neutral on my opinion of them, I’m not into pop punk, tho I currently cover the one popular Green Day song. He mentioned they wear costumes and some eye liner. For this soul-sucking sacrilege they get paid well and he mentioned playing out of state shows and the frontman who “wants to take it to the next level”. I’m no where near sold on the idea but he wants me to go to the next band meeting. I insisted that I’m not a very good guitar player but he went on about something where he has a pattern fretboard exercise that he developed, that takes away all those problems people have with playing solos etc. (Yea, right. And I’m EVH. 😀 ) I want to play lots of fun hours with a drummer for example but I don’t want to play with an acoustic drummer, that wish is totally incompatible with a tribute band, it’s not so much a wish list, if lifelong healthy hearing is involved (which it important for everyone, whether anyone admits it or not). Who wants to be a deaf old rocker, not me, and ear plugs are just a band-aid over the real problem of ridiculous volume.

    I think age bias definitely works in the favor of adults. Adults typically know how to play and have been playing since teen years. Which means a decade or more on and off. Newbie adults are, I guess, still a rare animal. So, I say I’m a guitarist, it seems like everyone assumes I can go crazy on solos or something. I have to insist, uh, “I can play simple rock songs, but not, you know, Metallica speeds or anything, yet”. I’m not sure if anyone believes this, or maybe assume I’m being humble. But I have yet to get any kind of attitude stereotyped in blues stories where a young player walks in and people say “yea right, that kid can’t play” then the young player has to blow the doubters away or prove something. It’s pretty much the opposite.

    The city has a whole other level of players. Location Location Location. There is just no comparison to the environment I’m in now, and any of those guys or their resources. It probably could have paid off in terms of investment to have gone the city route before joining my band but the commute could possibly have led to serious road rage (1 hr stop & go freeway traffic). Gene Simmons is totally right on this. Want to play, move to somewhere where there are really a lot of players at all levels including really good levels.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #15854

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    I am a HUGE amp sim/ amp DSP fan and pusher but we still have some massive issues to tackle in nonlinear processes. I know some one will shout Eureka sooner or later, but right now, its head scratching.

    Even at 64 times oversampling, we have some issues, I made a short video showing some of it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCANuKa9ULU

    This is a great video by the way. You mention these types of effects happen in all of the various amp sims, that goes to show the same underlying algorithms are used across most vendors. It seems strange though, that a computer sim operating offline (non real time, “re amping”) would always have the same limitations as a live-amp version. Well, economically, the vendors probably use the same software for both modes. But offline mode has no problem with latency which is the real killer limitation in developing algorithms – the algorithm is going to have to make tradeoffs in order to reduce latency to a real-time playable level. Since in re-amping there is no latency problem, the computer can take as long as needed to render a clip with sim enabled. There’s basically no processor power limitation today either, computers are definitely fast enough and have enough memory to allow the algorithm to do whatever it wants, mathematically- it would just take a lot of rendering time (not convenient, but, it would be worth the wait if it yielded more perfect sounding results).

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #15855

    safetyblitz
    Participant

    and a really good powered pa speaker maybe like 15″ but depends on weight.

    Consider Scott Grove’s thoughts on 15″ speakers before you dive in:

    • #16354

      AlleyCatRocker1980s
      Participant

      I totally enjoy Scott Grove, at a time he was somewhat misunderstood on YouTube. But it’s always great to see him when he’s on YouTube.

      He’s a Multi Talented Musician, that took his Band to almost Winning on Star Search a few years back!

      The Guy really knows his stuff Musically,an I Love his no nonsence approach to telling it like it is…wich I totally admire..

      Practicing Guitar

  • #16342

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Good old Scott grove. That is a great video. I think his points boil down to,
    – watch out for 2-way speakers which probably dont have the right midrange, compared to 3-way, especially when,
    – the crossover is set at 800hz or so, and
    – size does not mean better, and
    – pa speakers with big horn cutouts may be a red flag of a bad speaker design

    I’m not sure about the comparison of a 15″ speaker (I mean, driver) to a 6″ speaker in a line array. A line array has a bunch of speakers which maybe add up to a large surface area similar to a 15″ speaker. I don’t know how the comparison works really, so.. Hm. One thing is for sure, whether I get a smaller speaker (like 10″) or larger speaker, I will definitely get a stand of some sort too, in order to raise it off the ground and/or put the tweeter at head height like Scott Grove’s other video repeatedly recommends (his ‘live sound’ video).

    And onto, more entertainment from craigslist musician ads-

    lead Guitar wanted (orange)

    Experienced Pop Duo seeks lead guitar player who is on social security and possible pension. Must have background in all styles, Country Rock and Beatles. Need good chart reader and have minimum of two herniated discs. Vocals a plus but not necessary. Must process a valid drivers license, know how to use a smart phone and texting feature. Person must be able to finish set without having to use restroom more often than once every 45 minutes. Look forward to hearing from you.

    When in doubt, ask for free money from strangers (also, ignore all other already successful bands out there with exact same look/style, and claim to be unique and hard working)

    Girl Group for looking investors (Los Angeles)

    Hello,
    We are a new girl group currently looking for an investor to invest in our success. There hasn’t been a great girl group for the past seven years and music is not changing for the better. We are trying to make a new revolution of music and prove that girls groups can stay together for a long time. We are very hard working, dedicated to our craft, and a united sister hood. We are looking for a manager and a investor. We know its going to take time and hard work and dedication, but we need someone to believe in us enough as much as we do to help us become a great success and accomplish our dreams. Now this girl group is just starting off from scratch and we do not have demos yet but we do have songs. We just need somewhere we can record. We also have a lot of ideas and hopefully you can help with that.

    Right now I’ve taken leave from the band playing and whew, feels good. what a relief not to have that ongoing performance stress of learning ‘too tough’ (in my opinion) material all the time.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

    • #16348

      AlleyCatRocker1980s
      Participant

      Sb am I reading this rite…or did I just read you taking time away from the Band?

      Mann I never thought I’de read this noo wayyy… I knew how much you Love the Band, well thats cool it’ll give you time to

      re-afirm your convictions..An come up with a better Game Plan..Not that I’m happy you made this decision,but you know what

      your going to need to get back in the Game next time!  When your ready you’ll be better than ever…

      Joe

      Practicing Guitar

  • #16702

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Being in a band, playing music live and seeing people dance or headbang, is the coolest thing ever. Altho I have to admit. Taking leave of being in a band and thus not having the painful responsibility of getting stuff down, “or else”, is a pretty good situation too and feels great. It’s not good to be in catchup-mode pressure for months and months, and it’s definitely not great to have to play songs that aren’t yet ready to be played in front of others.

    Now a different topic..

    Way back when I was a kid and not yet introduced to real music (that means: hard rock and metal!) I was.. encouraged.. to play keyboard. Like age 5 I think. Except it wasn’t even cool enough to be a keyboard, it was an organ. From my perspective that is a totally uncool instrument (unless it is in a 1,200 year old church and has massive pipes and stuff). Even as a 5 year old, I knew that playing the organ was Not Cool. So as part of those lessons I learned to read staff music and play by sight reading. I dunno maybe I got up to 60 or 80 bpm quarter notes with that. But I didn’t practice or like to play because none of the music was cool either! Nowadays I think those lessons were just a way for the parental units to get someone else to do child sitting but that’s a different topic, about how music education is approached in the wrong way.. In more hip places The Doors were playing, with keyboard sounds as cool as keyboards will ever get, but here I was playing what- Amazing Grace? Yuck. Even keytars haven’t thrived, even back in the 80’s when mauve leotards were considered cool. That is really saying something right there.

    Anyways in the other thread recently which turned into a long discussion of pro’s and con’s of when to use music theory knowledge and when or when not to use apps ( http://guitarlessonforum.com/guitar-forums/topic/neck-chart-generator ), Paul mentioned this-

    Superblonde, I guarantee you that if you put down the apps and spend a month learning to read standard notation and learning to play that standard notation on your guitar, you will gain incredible amounts of fretboard knowledge and will be able to understand “theory” better.

    So back as a 5 year old kid I knew how to sight read music in standard notation and play it on keyboard. but it didn’t teach me much about melody or theory from that skill. Especially as it relates to guitar. (In fact it is more confusing to know how to sight read, because for example a triad will only show three black dots on the staff, but a guitar is playing 5 or 6 notes almost all the time! what!) I guess I had those organ lessons for 6 months, I don’t remember. After that I forgot how to read staff. Unused skills. Until I was sent to acoustic guitar lessons with this super old dude at like age 7? Which I also didn’t enjoy. Because they didn’t rock! Well, that was just one of the reasons I didn’t get into them.. like most kids sent off to sit in a little room with an acoustic guitar and an old totally-un-rocking dude. That playing tho, was done by sight reading staff notation. So I learned to sight read a second time. And the songs.. ugh, old fogey songs which I still dislike to this day. Let’s just say that if there is a sing-along at a campfire, the last place I am going to be, is there. Anyways for me, I don’t know about anyone else, but I gained pretty much no “understanding of music” (whatever that means, you know, some kind of feel for how melody works or whatever) by being able to either read staff notation or play while reading it. Knowing notes in chords does not translate to much “musically” for me. I guess the main bonus was simply seeing how notes could be notated with pitch indicated by vertical spacing, but that simple lesson can be explained with a diagram in 15 minutes. I didn’t get any kind of Steve Vai moment of epiphany that I should spend hours of my day drawing dots on staff paper. (Graph paper tho, I find very appealing. The blue lined types, ah, so very pleasant.) However! Finally being able to sing, has at the end of the day taught me much more about melody so now I am a happy camper about “understanding music” (compared to where I felt I was before). I can harmonize because I can sing the harmony, etc. I can kind of judge if something fits, because I can sing harmony to it. None of which I could do correctly before – the notes would be the wrong notes for the melody. So, that’s the story there. Maybe learning to sight read music could turn on someone else’s lightbulb for melody and music theory understanding, I don’t know. I think this gets into a deeper conversation. Something about the difference between theory’s “knowing” how a music and melody works, vs. the rock n roll “feeling” that “omg yes! metal horns up! this rocks!” Even jazz peeps will argue with each other about that.. so many elite jazz masters saying “yea, ya gotta forget the theory, even tho I teach the theory at university, ya just gotta feel it, man” (wow, I dislike that attitude. It is so easy to say, “Nah, ya don’t need that stuff” when someone is already a master and has already gained the intuitive understanding from learning & apply the theory over years and years.) What these type of guys need are proper study/playing exercises- to tie the theory into the practice, to reduce the gap between the two ends of the spectrum. It simply is not just one or the other. It is bringing both sides together, like, look how amazing gp6 is at bridging the gap for exercises and theory, and there’s still so many limitations of what it can & can’t do yet.

    So on that topic of interesting exercises here is an exercise, from jazz peeps, I am going to try tonite.

    Last Call: Time Is on Your Side
    John Bohlinger
    April 14, 2016
    http://www.premierguitar.com/articles/23956-last-call-time-is-on-your-side


    Players who have great timing are rarely born with it. They likely developed meter through hours of focused, dedicated playing. After I discovered my Achilles heel in the meter department, I tried practicing with a metronome, but, again, I didn’t know how. I just turned it on quarters and tried to match the BPMs.

    Then two women came to my aid with the same advice. I watched instructional videos by jazz guitarist Emily Remler and bassist Carol Kaye of the Wrecking Crew. Both talented players suggested the same practice technique. They set the metronome on one-half of the tempo and let the clicks land on the 2 and 4 beats. Say you want to work at 120 BPMs. You set the metronome on 60 and count “2” and “4” for every click until you feel it. Then you count “1” and “3” for the spaces in between the clicks. Then jump in and play with the clicks accenting the 2 and 4. … When I filmed a Premier Guitar Rig Rundown on Tommy Emmanuel, his gear was about as minimal as it gets, but one thing he always carries is his metronome. Emmanuel said it took him a long time to make friends with the metronome, but now it’s his constant companion.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #17035

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    What drives someone to spend 10,000 hrs to learn guitar?

    maslow

    Maslow’s hierarchy of needs is a theory in psychology proposed by Abraham Maslow in his 1943 paper “A Theory of Human Motivation” in Psychological Review.[2] Maslow subsequently extended the idea to include his observations of humans’ innate curiosity. His theories parallel many other theories of human developmental psychology, some of which focus on describing the stages of growth in humans. Maslow used the terms “physiological”, “safety”, “belongingness” and “love”, “esteem”, “self-actualization”, and “self-transcendence” to describe the pattern that human motivations generally move through.

    Maslow studied what he called exemplary people such as Albert Einstein, Jane Addams, Eleanor Roosevelt, and Frederick Douglass … Maslow studied the healthiest 1% of the college student population.[4]

    Maslow’s theory was fully expressed in his 1954 book Motivation and Personality.[5] The hierarchy remains a very popular framework in sociology research, management training[6] and secondary and higher psychology instruction. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

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  • #17418

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Another vocal story. I ran into a local vocalist this week and heard the most amazing story. He told me about recently getting to practice a-capella vocals with a guy who was a silver medalist in an international a-capella competition (ie that dude could really sing). So the local vocalist said, he was super excited to be able to practice with this top guy. This local vocalist is really good too, I think he said he has a music degree in vocal performance (studied a lot.. has good pitch control etc. He wants to be a professional male studio vocalist I think). Anyways he says, they were practicing together, and the top guy goes: “Nuh uh. You’re off.” And the top guy takes out his phone and runs a tuner app (I forgot the name of the app, but it is specialized for vocals, not guitar etc) and he says, let’s try again. Then the top guy says “Nope. you’re 20 cents off.” Ok… so the local vocalist says, they were just singing a simple song, but they repeated it 17 times in a row, until he got closer to being on pitch for some certain harmony. In a way it is funny because I had sent the local vocalist an email recently with a snapshot of my ReaTune vocal practice. So I don’t know if he agreed with me before, about being picky about pitch and using tuner to verify, but I am sure, he is sold on the idea now. Self measurement and verify.. that top guy didn’t win a silver medal by having some vocal instructor tell him, “okay now just be expressive, feel the music and the meaning, imagine the notes floating..” He got there by whipping out a tuning app and making sure he was dead on the green light.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #17752

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Here’s an inspiring interview which is either amazing in a good way or … not.

    Doyle admits he basically doesn’t know how to play guitar at all. He knows the songs the band plays and that’s it. He doesnt know any picking method except angry downstrokes. If he is noodling around to write a song and something sounds cool but it’s too hard to play, he simply doesn’t use it.

    The youtube comment thread on the video is amazing too – don’t hide in your bedroom 😮 go make noise 😀

    punk-fans


    Rig Rundown – Doyle Wolfgang von Frankenstein

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

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  • #17771

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    So no other takers on my challenge hm? that’s okay because I’m happy with my progress.

    This week I am going to challenge myself to write a song in GP6 using only the material from “level 1” and “level 2”. That is anything covered in week 1 to week 5. It should be the simplest thing ever! (cough, cough)

    My one attempt so far. It came together much quicker than my previous ones mainly because I have figured out more drumming (by transcribing). I had this idea for a rock anthem type of song. Then as I was doing it, I had this idea to split the solo into 2 (+ 1/2) parts where the lead guitar could do the first solo (and ending 1/2 part) and rhythm guitar could do the 2nd solo part so it is like dueling guitars. The solo tho is kind of a placeholder that just easily fits the key. for now. http://superblonde.info/2016/20160901-Rock-Is-Undead-v1.wav

    song form is :

    intro 1 bar
    verse1 12 bars
    chorus1 4 bars (3+ 1 break)
    verse2 12 bars
    chorus2 4 bars (3+1)
    solo1 + solo2 / verse part 12 bars
    solo3 / chorus part 4 bars (3 + 1)
    unfinished ending, so added a quickie drum fill to end, 1 bar – to be replaced with longer outro thing, depending on lyrics

    Since the lyrics arent written yet, (so, no vocal melody), I think I would want to do that first, before adding more musical details.

    Oh yea one cool thing, is I used the idea from the Complete Basic Course 2007 version stage 1 (or 2?) with the easy-one-finger-chords. Those lessons arent in the new basic course but I always thought it was a cool lesson because theoretically, it is possible to play a ton of songs with just a few chords, so, using those it’s possible to play a ton of songs with just one finger. 😀

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #17896

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    “The” exciting news I posted about a long time back. Man this thread is getting long. Anyways a long time back I said I wanted to post soe exciting news. Delays, whatev’s. Here it is. drum roll.. proof that my vocals aint like a dying cat anymore. 😮

    I will save the longer story for later. Needless to say I went to this vocal a-capella performance that I found thru craigslist, it sounded interesting and thought I might get some good vocal tips from them, then during the intermission the group kidnapped me to a nearby hallway and cajoled me into singing something with them (I couldnt refuse, surrounded by 8 dudes and a music director), then, afterwards, on the spot, they drafted me as one of their lead singers for the a-capella quartet. They insisted that I had amazing pitch for random melodies they were teaching me in the moment. I suggested maybe I could be some other part (like lower voice) and yet they wouldn’t take ‘no’ for an answer and insisted I be a lead part (the lead melodies have the most range and the part is usually most out front). Take that, Jim Gillete lesson doubters 😛 I tried to explain that I havent been singing that long and had only recently figured out how sing notes on pitch at all using my tuner method, they didn’t want any excuses and insisted I sign up with their group. So I did. (Half figuring, they’d kick me out later for my lack of talent. still waiting for that.. they still havent.)

    The group has weekly vocal rehearsals which I have been going to, and this short clip is from one of the rehearsal songs. It is amateur but not bad for just a few months work. The crazy part of this rehearsal is that I was in a ton of pain while singing due to a medical thing. I dont want to go into that but I didnt tell the guys. Somehow I still mostly pulled it off during rehearsals. In retrospect it is amazing to me. Still, this is just a rehearsal and nowhere near tight. but the pitches are accurate! 😀

    This recording was made from my 2 different mp3 recorders which then I synced up in Reaper, and panned each L or R, so it is somewhat like a binaural recording. The lead part (myself), is the part that is recognizable because I am singing solo notes for some words like at the end, “Ro-” of “Rose” and in the middle “With my..” (I sure didnt have much vocal strength in those rehearsals… I’m singing really soft). The song is a partial cover of an old old ballad from the 1880’s. http://superblonde.info/2016/20160628-superblonde-quartet-Wild-Irish-Rose.mp3

    The songs are distinctive because they use a lot of diminished and 7th chords. They really tweak the harmonies. Almost like metal! I need to convince these guys to wear black denim and leather.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #18018

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    This past wednesday I was invited to, what was said to be, a jam nite, at a nearby restaurant. I learned something about attitude, what I like and don’t like. It was a local singer-guitarist one-man-acoustic-player-singer guy, who is also a guitar instructor, I have seen him perform around, at restaurants or low key places like wineries. Set list is, lets call it what it is, baby boomer rock. unfortunately I haven’t been practicing songs, only scales, for the past few months. So later in the eve when the jam started, after he had finished his first two complete sets, the place had cleared out, well, there was only one large table of 8, which had been holding it down, and the group left, which is OK with me. But not OK with him apparently. As soon as no one is in the audience (except, “that one guy at the bar”), it seems he gets frustrated. So he made several comments, like, “I hate playing to an empty place. It’s like, why am I even here. It’s only 9pm and still an hour to go. Sheesh. This time wont go by fast enough.”

    I dont really like that perspective at all. I play for self satisfaction. If there’s girls dancing then wow, that is the coolest thing in the world, but if there aren’t, still, it’s better playing outside somewhere, than simply playing in the man cave right? Now of course, he is trying to earn his daily rent. So I understand from an economic point of view, he’s bummed that there’s no one to put cash in the tip jar, no warm seats drinking alcohol to pay the restaurant-bar which pays his performer salary.

    I ran into this with the band too. I’d say, “Why waste the stage time? Let’s jam on something. That’s why we’re here?” Everyone would just scatter until the ‘official setlist’ had to start. An entire setup of equipment just sitting there waiting to be played. Now I can understand trying to hold a schedule like a union job, if there’s a salary involved from The Man. But otherwise.. even my fellow guitarist would say, “Geez there’s only five people here, we should just leave.” what? I dunno, I just cant help but think, if that’s the main reason for playing, in order to get an ego boost from other people, that is not really a healthy outlook. In fact isnt it a great opportunity, to play to an empty place, there is no risk, no distraction, it is like a live soundcheck, perfect time to tune everything, and pay close attention to everything. And what happens? These players lose all interest. Totally backwards, to me. A great blues band can take a 2 minute blues song and extend it to a 25 minute sweet grooving jam, and how is anyone going to get to that coolness level without actually playing around and having fun like that? You know, actually playing music because we all like music right?

    Anyways in the jam I did three songs with them and they were not very solid at all. There is something missing. It is like, they are either musicians who don’t know the songs at all, or cover performers who can only play the song exactly and don’t know how to extend a verse. But they are not in the middle ground, where they can actually “jam”. So it was not a jam nite. It was more like, “Do an embarrassing attempt at a cover song” nite and have the lead dude call over, “yea sorry about this, ha ha” to the restaurant owner, before starting his own next song.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #18427

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    I was going thru some old emails and I noticed this one a recruiter sent me in 2013. Since Beats (headphones) was bought by Apple a little while fter this email (whoa just checked the acquisition was May 2014 so about 1 year later), that would have been kind of a funny coincidence. I guess everything does come around that goes around, especially in audio related businesses.

    Hmm I guess they probably would have put me into leading their bluetooth headphones designs, who knows.. super funny 😀

    6/7/2013, 9:11 AM
    Beats by Dre is seeking rock star Embedded Firmware Engineers

    Hi [superblonde], Beats is looking for an experienced embedded firmware Engineer to support the needs of the R&D team in the beautiful city of Santa Monica, CA. I ran across your profile as someone whom could potentially contribute to Beats’ EXPLOSIVE growth and because of your experience in consumer electronics wanted to reach out. Beats By Dre has seen 300% growth year over year for the last 3 years running and there’s no signs of slowing down. We are moving aggressively into several new product categories and are looking for talented and innovative people to help lead the efforts. Responsibilities will include architecting, designing, and implementing high-quality real-time embedded firmware for complex audio systems and assisting Beats’ growing portfolio of products.

    Recruiters started using these silly terms a long time back. “Looking for real rockstars” I hate those postings. The only “rockstars” are real rock stars and pretty much across the board they wouldnt be good people to work with in a scheduled project environment. Somehow recruiters started trying to pump up job postings with these flashy terms.. and sucker everyone in.. Why would a corporate cubicle worker want to be a “rockstar employee”? Because everyone secretly wants to be a real rock star! Except only real rock stars can be rock stars and that requires things like, you know, selling your soul to the devil at the train tracks, lighting random things on fire including inside tour buses, that kind of thing.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #18451

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    today’s word of the day is,
    appoggiatura

    noun, Music.
    1. a note of embellishment preceding another note and taking a portion of its time.
    1745-55; < Italian: a propping, equivalent to appoggiat (o), past participle of appoggiare to support (see ap-1, podi(um), -ate1) + -ura -ure

     

    British Dictionary definitions for appoggiatura
    appoggiatura
    /əˌpɒdʒəˈtʊərə/

    noun (pl) -ras, -re (-rɛ)
    1. (music) an ornament consisting of a nonharmonic note (short or long) preceding a harmonic one either before or on the stress See also acciaccatura (sense 2)

     

    There’s a Word for Why Adele’s Music Makes You Cry
    February 15, 2016 by: Dictionary.com

    Adele, whose single “Hello” debuted at the top of the Billboard Hot 100 list in 2015, will be performing at this year’s Grammy Awards. Year after year, one thing remains constant with the Grammy winner’s music: It makes the tears flow.

    You may think her soulful lyrics are the reason songs like “Hello” and “Someone Like You” turn on the water works, but there’s a whole lot more going on in Adele’s music.

    Surprisingly, it’s not the words that are really making you cry: Adele makes ample use of appoggiaturas, or grace notes. Literally meaning “a propping up,” appoggiaturas are notes that are not essential to the harmony or the melody of a song, but that create tension. According to music psychologists, returning to the melody from appoggiaturas relieves that tension, relieving the listener, too.

    And that’s when you cry.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #18474

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Back in August I was watching some Bumblefoot videos on youtube. I noticed the videos were on a channel called, Bumblefoot, so it seemed like it could actually be the man himself. I posted a question related to the song writing of the song in the video. And.. Bumblefoot himself replied! omg omg omg. Wow is that cool! YES, it is! Sometimes there are stories in music documentaries of previous decades about some aspiring musician sending a letter to an artist and.. then getting a reply. Then later that aspiring musician turns out to grow up to be David Bowie or something. These kind of real stories are out there.. tho it always seemed like winning the lottery – sure, it does happen, but for a specific person it might as well be a myth to get the winning ticket, “that doesn’t really happen”.

    Anyway point being it was very cool to get a reply 😀

    An unfortunate thing about Bumblefoot’s career is that now all journalists focus on his GnR connection so much, when there are so many better things to talk about to a top guitarist than simply one former band that hired him, it would be like, interviewing Lemmy and asking him nonstop questions about Hawkwind or something. And the questions are so inappropriate anyways “Bumblefoot tell us about Axl, what’s he really like? Does he talk about Slash at all?” Geez. There’s only one question worth asking about Axl anyway, and that is: “Why was Axl always late to shows, which was so extreme as to cause rioting by fans?”

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #18679

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Looking at PA speakers again I ran across the Alto version of the inexpensive powered line array, which came out in late 2015.
    Alto Trouper
    Dimensions 30″ x 8.5″ x 10″
    Weight 22.5 lbs
    Power Amplifier Bi-amplified; 200 W peak: 130 W LF + 70 W HF
    Frequency Response 65 Hz – 20 kHz
    Crossover Frequency 1.8 KHz, electronic

    Has bluetooth A2DP but that’s a drawback in my opinion, just drives up price for low audio quality.

    Some videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_vUqV5oRI4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oug1lQ89tV0
    The videos from the Alto product guys says it is made for cafe or small performances, unfortunately no comment on whether they work with a live drummer. And mentions it is specifically not made for bass range so, the punch will be missing.

    Similar cost as the Powerwerks version, $199.

    To hype it up why not add led strips and charge much more. I guess the Spectrum PA is the same as the above just with LED flashing lights. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0G8udgr49U

    One interesting thing about Alto is that they make a portable PA battery powered 1×12 advertised as 400W which uses a LiOn battery “Battery: 25.9 V, internal lithium ion battery (6–8 hours of batterylife at regular usage; 4 hours to recharge fully)”. The 1×12 cabinet has wheels and a luggage style retractable handle. 38 lbs total including battery which seems really light.

    So it seems to me that building a setup using a good quality battery and an inverter would work well for the line array (which requires A/C) as well for many hours of use, still in total, light and small. Still lacking the bass range tho.. Low E string is 80 Hz so guitar will come thru, but bass guitar low B string at 30 Hz, I don’t know. Makes me wonder what a cello or double bass player uses for a small powered PA, I guess back to the Mackie 10″.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #18721

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    I went down a web site rabbit hole. I was reading about band management and ended up on an article from a college girl about how dating musicians is a mixed bag.. well holy jalapeno where did these spoiled girls come from?


    Sure there are a few perks to being the love interest of a musician. You’ll get some songs written about you. You’ll hear a lot of cool bands you wouldn’t know existed if it wasn’t for him. You will get to feel cool because that’s your man up there playing his heart out as people cheer and sing along. Musicians feel more than regular guys too, which I always thought was something special. Musicians are passionate, loving, and more emotional and in touch with how they feel. The problem is that they’re also selfish and moody and lazy when it comes to relationships. Music is their life — you’re just a side project.

    And you’ll die trying to be a part of that piece of his life. You’ll feel neglected. You’ll feel insecure because, like I said, girls love musicians. You’ll feel annoyed when he constantly tells you that your taste in music is terrible. You’ll wonder where the hell he is as you wait for his phone call that will never come. You’ll listen to those songs he wrote for you and wonder where that person went. You’ll be jealous of the music. You’ll be jealous of everyone who gets his time before you. You’ll try so hard to be the supportive girlfriend who believes in his dreams and wants him to succeed, but in the back of your head, all you’re thinking is, “When the hell are you going to give this up and get a real job?”

    You’ll need to learn how to be in a long distance relationship. (God, don’t do this unless you HAVE to.) Musicians travel a lot. They tour and promote and sleep on people’s couches. They will do anything for “the music.” They want to live out their dreams no matter how hard it will be or how long it will take or how many meals they have to skip to save some cash for gas money — and if you want to be with a musician, you need to respect that and deal with his shit. You need to learn how to be your own person outside of him because he has no problem doing his own thing without you. Don’t let his life as a struggling musician become your life and your struggle too. You need to keep busy because if you don’t, you’ll feel lonely a lot. You’ll feel frustrated. You’ll feel confused. When you are so in love with someone, it’s hard to accept that you’ll never have them fully. It’s just a matter of how much you’re willing to take from him and how much you’re willing to give up.

    Though I don’t regret falling for a musician, I am definitely looking at my love life through different eyes now. I have learned my lesson, and I had to learn it the hard way. To be clear, my musician is a wonderful person who I still care for and will continually root for, but his lifestyle and my lifestyle were never in sync. Our futures were too different. We also lived 500 miles away from one another. As his life became busier, he had less time for me. I became less of a priority and more of a chore. He didn’t want to make time for me anymore, I wasn’t willing to put up with it, and that was that. Long distance love is difficult enough and when you add the element of an aspiring musician into the mix, it’s just too damn hard.

    Dating a Musician Kind of Sucks [Confessions of a Twenty-Something]
    Katie is finishing up her undergrad at North Central College in Naperville, Illinois. She enjoys wasting hours on Facebook and tweeting things no one cares about. When asked the question, “Do you do marathons?” She promptly responds, “Of course! Which show?” Follow her @KatieGarrity! Or read her personal blog where she talks incessantly about Ryan Gosling and hummus here!

    I don’t see much difference between a traveling musician and a traveling account executive type person. Other than the salary. Both jobs are away from home, both have lots of prestige in their own ways, both are travel intensive. Depending on the exec crowd, sometimes these guys are scummier and cheat on relationships more than some musicians I’ve met so that just is what it is too. Well, the musician has a mystique I suppose.. and a better hair style.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #18731

    rorygfan
    Participant

    I hate to say it, but this girl is a perfect target for the Tom Leykiss school of thought.  Tom states ” Women are dream killers” .  Here is a perfect example of that.  Instead of supporting the cause and and rather than complain, nag, etc… she should be involved.  I have continually had the women in my life complain about my work-life balance… or should I say imbalance.. lol.  They took little ownership for activity planning, goals life stuff- so in addition to working 80 hours- I did that crap too.  Goal setting and goal-getting is important.  Not all of us are destined to be stuck in the same house, same relationship, same job, same old whatever.  She sounds like the traditional white picket fence, furry dog, 2 kids and station wagon… whoops dating myself here I mean SUV type who needs a corporate robot 9-5 husband, and quite frankly she should not prevent “love” from clouding her goal!  She should move on and find her robot prince.  I get tired of people who complain while they remain in a relationship and are stuck, and mire around in self-inflicted wounds of the past, instead of making change.  Change is super difficult for most people, she isn’t secure enough herself to move on evidently if she isn’t happy.  Like you state she could be with a traveling salesman, and it would be the same complaint.  Except I don’t think Sales people skip meals for gas money at least not in the modern world.  Not everybody is cut out for marriage, and a traditional one at that.  Like I said before in other posts with a 50% failure rate, it is obsolete anyway.   I have equally been in a self  induced state of inaction, and not part of anybodies fault but my own but my own slow decision making process and comfort level.  I take personal responsibility for it all, and don’t pass it along or at least I try not to.  Life is for living, not for griping, and it’s all about TODAY, not tomorrow or the future but being happy about today and what happiness it brings.  It has taken me a long time to adapt to this thinking but thanks to Latinas, it has become a part of my life.  The funniest ones are those who say “si dios me presta un dia mas”-  translated basically IF god loans/grants me another day… that sorta thinking that you are not entitled to waking up tomorrow, but it is a gift from god.  Well, in my case subtract that funny man in the sky part and it’s all good.  So if the woman who wrote that part, she should be thankful her boyfriend isn’t up in high seas off Alaska catching crabs or greasy grimey off-shore oil rig for months at a time.  At least the guy is having fun!  Americans are so spoiled anyway.  The worlds population of migrants who leave their families for months at a time to go to other countries where the wages are better, then western union the money home… I wonder how much griping those women really do?  Think about how pompous that woman sounds compared to the rest of the world, her complaints are irrelevant.  Get a job, support herself and get another man.  Done.

    • #18987

      superblonde
      Keymaster

      Well said and I totally agree!

      I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
      And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #18988

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Wanted to make an observation. These cover bands I have often described from local dive bars. 99% of these guys are the old guard- baby boomers, often with grey hair, rocking out their favorite songs. If I talk to the guys in the band – sometimes I compliment them on their sound etc during breaks or whatever – sometimes I’ll ask how they started playing together etc and 99% of the time the answer is “Well, him and I have been playing together since, geez, the 70s.. and this guy we met thru so and so, he’s been playing with bands since around that time too…”

    Basically all the cover bands are age 55+ guys who have been playing 30+ years on and off, some playing longer. They sound good without ever rehearsing more than once per week (if even that) together, they’ve been playing the Rolling Stones covers or etc for 30 years. A few of the band guys are a bit younger (aged in early 50s) and played various sunset strip clubs in the early 80s or late 80s.. then went onto stable jobs then got back into playing like many of Doug’s students too. One of the frontmen from one of these bands that I mentioned as being particularly good.. that frontmen was apparently playing sunset strip clubs several nights a week for years, no wonder he makes it look effortless, he just seems to “have it” without really doing “anything” even in the small dive bar (unlike other small-time band frontmen I’ve seen elsewhere, where the frontman seems to really be “trying hard” but somehow still not pulling “that magic frontmen thing” off very well).

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #19018

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Talking to one of the local cover bands at the nearby dive bar, the band is a 3 piece, it turns out two of the guys are from more eastern LA which means they need to drive 80 miles (thru LA traffic?!) to play at that dive bar. I thought they were more local.. I just didnt imagine these guys spending 2 hrs in traffic to get to a small bar to play for 3 hrs, then have to drive back, whoa. The drummer is closer, only 35 mi away, still quite the trek thru traffic (any other I-5 freeway haters here, ugh). They insisted tho, it’s the only place they want to play because the crowd is so much fun and the vibe is so good. Well I guess that’s a compliment since I go there all the time too 😀 I cant imagine they’re making more than several hundred bucks for that effort they put in..

    Now this is interesting!

    Metallica’s Robert Trujillo used tab books to learn his bass parts
    News / 14 hours ago / by Stef Lach

    Metallica bassist Robert Trujillo says tablature books were a big help when he was finding his feet with the band

    Metallica bassist Robert Trujillo says he used self-teaching guides to learn his bass parts when he joined the band.

    Guitar tablature books are created for most bands, allowing fans to learn how to play their favourite songs. And Trujillo says the ‘tab guides’ were extremely helpful when he replaced Jason Newsted in 2003.

    Describing how he learns early Metallica material that he has never played before, Trujillo says working out the parts on …And Justice For All is especially challenging as Newsted’s bass was so low in the mix.

    And he reveals guitarist Kirk Hammett has also been known to check out a tab book to re-learn complex solos.

    Trujillo tells Rolling Stone Australia: “Justice is the biggest challenge, because it’s also complex in the arrangements.

    “By the way, the tablature books too were very helpful when I first joined the band. Anything I could do. I wasn’t getting the master tapes back then.

    “It’s a different time now. Nowadays you can go online and you can get the masters for just about any band out there, but back in the day you didn’t have that option. Kirk Hammett uses the tab books sometimes, ‘Let me get the tab books I’ve gotta learn my solo from Dyer’s Eve again!'”

    Mastodon guitarist Bill Kelliher recently admitted he watches fan tutorial videos on YouTube to refresh his memory of how to play some of his band’s older material.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #19516

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    One week to deadline!

    The extended deadline for this year’s 18th Annual Great American Song Contest is Thursday, December 15. This deadline is final and there will be no additional extension.

    This is the contest I entered last year or year before? Strange synchronicity, late last nite wrote something kind of, and this morning get their spam. I might try to polish it (which I think is maybe my best effort so far in terms of coming together organically), we shall see.. Going to have to go into workaholic mode in order to get it done though..

    Edit- this was it http://guitarlessonforum.com/guitar-forums/topic/bettys-got-a-secret-original

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #20389

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    I’m continuing to press on with the vocal group, no rock band at present. I’m refocusing on following Doug’s great advice straight out of ‘how to start a band’. I kept thinking about every couple weeks, man, I should leave this vocal group. Then either they either present something new and somewhat interesting for me to explore or we finally make some small step forward and I say, well, it’s still progressing somewhat. Just that the progress is slow – and sometimes literally backwards! – because the guys don’t practice or they have these practice methods which simply don’t work, there is no later beneficial result. If a guy says he is putting hours in, and honestly maybe he is, and then later doesn’t know a part, that is basic evidence that something is broken. So basically I’m going to push them harder until they either kick me out, or they all drop out. One of my thoughts a while back was, hmm, if these guys are somewhat okay or good as a group and yet continually complaining about not having any exposure to the public at large, what about college radio? Except they really just didnt seem ready to accept such a suggestion until more progress made.. so now I asked one of the guys to look into, “Do you think you could get us on the local college radio station or local talk radio? Here is their contact info” (that I pulled off the web with a simple 2 minute google search).. and he got all excited and said he’d contact them and they had never thought of that before!. It’s a funny music group, like that. There’s going to be a big showdown if they expect me to ever do xmas songs again, there’s just no way I’m going near that, not out of simple dislike of the songs, but the ROI (return on investment of time & energy) was simply horrible, like, near zero.

    A few weeks ago, I did this- I made a solo piano track of each guy’s part. Because I kept being disappointed that they weren’t making music properly. It took a long time to prepare these though. I put the track on my tablet and when we got together for rehearsal, I had them sing along to the track on the spot.. taking turns twice around the group.. finally they got part of the message, that they better start using the tracks that I had prepared before in their own practice, and do it every day, or they’re not going to hit the right notes when we are together. This showed some problems in how they were practicing too. The difference in our rehearsal before and after was quite a bit improved. One of the guys admitted “well usually, I just cram study it, i.e. spend a lot of time on it, one day before the gig.” No wonder he cant remember his parts later. I told him, hey, that’s not how long term memory works. You’ll never remember things for longer than 1 week afterwards, if practicing that way. Hopefully he takes my suggestion to change his practice to more of an every day spend a few minutes thing, vs. take 1 full day out of every 2 months and spend 8 hrs. It just doesn’t work like that especially in stressful on stage situations, and it shows, he even admits, he has a horrible memory for his parts. Though it’s a head scratcher to me, why I’m instructing someone who has been doing it for 30 years, on how to practice at home.. -shrug- Anyway the solo practice-on-the-spot thing, was pretty awkward and painful to go thru. But hey, if it gets the job done..?

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #20864

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    I’ve started visiting (to listen, not play) local open mic’s again to talk to other rock’n’roll peeps. Finally time has come to leave the vocal group and move on, only thing left is to give them the news which they won’t enjoy hearing (especially because they have a show next month). At a recent open mic nite I saw some strangely familiar faces.. familiar only because I recognized the people from their craigslist photo.. Some of the discussion from the other thread here http://guitarlessonforum.com/guitar-forums/topic/silly-question-about-craigslist-ads-and-others One of the open mic cover bands had a really good female vocalist it turns out. So not all craigs ads are bad (just most of them, haha). This was one of the ads I responded to (but pestered them about how many times they rehearse per week and what they do to send rehearsal tracks out to band members) and got an email back then nothing, I think after I sent them a youtube video, so I guess they didnt like my skill level – cant blame ’em for that. My craigslist strategy was just flawed because it is so unlikely that any local musician is going to want to respond to some hard core Q&A that questions their level of commitment.. these people are in it for fun and certainly if the vocalist is screening guitarists I doubt the vocalist will understand what it means “do you have recordings of rehearsals for band members to practice to, if you are only rehearsing 1x per month”.. There was a decades-of-experience local punk band vocalist that was emailing me back several times asking if I wanted to play at their next show etc etc until I finally said “OK I’m down to play but only if you send tracks first yadda yadda and we rehearse 2x-3x/week” and suddenly, the emails went silent.. I guess after 20 years of playing those punk songs live, they simply don’t rehearse or want to rehearse, everyone ‘just knows’ the songs.

    Anyways there are local musicians out there looking for fellow band mates the only obstacle is being a good enough guitarist to play for/with them. Having the ‘look’ certainly helps.. the longer my hair gets, the more peeps at local venues tend to start immediately asking “so where do you play?” etc.. tho, playing with a 60 year old guitarist who has been playing the same rolling stones covers since 18 years old, I mean they could play these songs blindfolded in a rainstorm, would definitely make me look like I have 10 thumbs basically.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #20922

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    The Gitas cant find a drummer either. I dont feel so bad.


    The Gitas Series // Finding A Drummer // Mar 20, 2017 Episode 1 of The Gitas’ weekly video series featuring footage from the previous week. Join us on our journey in finding a drummer.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #20986

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Something is not right here! 😮 What could it be? ;-D

    My youtube channel’s demographics:

    superblonde-youtube-2017-03-26

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

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  • #20989

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    yesterday I had a fun experience.. we were rehearsing for a school audition. I had my Fender with me and one of my students was playing through my small Cube 30. I walked 10 feet away from both amps that were standing side by side. … and I had this revelation : the small-used-90buck-Cube30 was easily overshadowing my New-800-Eur-Fender-Hot-Rod-Deluxe-III-Limited-Edition-Amp.  This will be hard to overcome!

    My suspicion after playing the small roland amps and having my fellow guitarist also play hers while I played my fender mini amp (similar tiny size as the small Roland just a little bigger, 6.5″ speaker), the Rolands sound the way they do because they found or made a speaker specifically for guitar. It just has very high Q. I think. By that I mean, the energy that the speaker puts out, is all centered right around the mid-range guitar frequencies, so on a spectrum plot, it would look very tall and very narrow. Like an EQ with the mid turned to 10 and the other bands turned to -10. That’s why the small Roland amps seem to be so much louder.. because they are very peaky.. yet also balanced so it is not shrill sounding, altho they do sound thin to me (indicates less lower frequencies). It also explains how Roland can get away with something like six AA’s in their portable mini amp which lasts 5 hours, compared to my fender mustang mini amp which uses six C batteries and lasts only 3.. I bet Fender just chose a wider range speaker (which is good because often I put Aux mp3 thru that speaker so it has to play bass sounds and cymbals as backing too). So really the ‘loudness’ is just a perceptual thing and it’s easy to mistake ‘loud means better’. I want to get a better (more full range) speaker for my fender mustang mini even if it is less efficient on the guitar bands, and put a much bigger battery in it so it lasts longer. Inside the amp I believe it is actually equivalent to a fender mustang I V.2 so the upgrade will be a good one for portability and tone.. still guessing though.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #20990

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    yesterday I had a fun experience.. we were rehearsing for a school audition. I had my Fender with me and one of my students was playing through my small Cube 30. I walked 10 feet away from both amps that were standing side by side. … and I had this revelation : the small-used-90buck-Cube30 was easily overshadowing my New-800-Eur-Fender-Hot-Rod-Deluxe-III-Limited-Edition-Amp.  This will be hard to overcome!

    My suspicion after playing the small roland amps and having my fellow guitarist also play hers while I played my fender mini amp (similar tiny size as the small Roland just a little bigger, 6.5″ speaker), the Rolands sound the way they do because they found or made a speaker specifically for guitar. It just has very high Q. I think. By that I mean, the energy that the speaker puts out, is all centered right around the mid-range guitar frequencies, so on a spectrum plot, it would look very tall and very narrow. Like an EQ with the mid turned to 10 and the other bands turned to -10. That’s why the small Roland amps seem to be so much louder.. because they are very peaky.. yet also balanced so it is not shrill sounding, altho they do sound thin to me (indicates less lower frequencies). It also explains how Roland can get away with something like six AA’s in their portable mini amp which lasts 5 hours, compared to my fender mustang mini amp which uses six C batteries and lasts only 3.. I bet Fender just chose a wider range speaker (which is good because often I put Aux mp3 thru that speaker so it has to play bass sounds and cymbals as backing too). So really the ‘loudness’ is just a perceptual thing and it’s easy to mistake ‘loud means better’. I want to get a better (more full range) speaker for my fender mustang mini even if it is less efficient on the guitar bands, and put a much bigger battery in it so it lasts longer. Inside the amp I believe it is actually equivalent to a fender mustang I V.2 so the upgrade will be a good one for portability and tone.. still guessing though.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #21030

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    For a while I’ve wondered if there exists an instructional/jam bundle which is a bunch of recorded original song parts. Like separate wav files for song sections as puzzle pieces. Then it would be possible to easily take a handful of these tracks, link them together, and have an arbitrary length jam song to practice over. Its funny to me that this doesn’t exist especially considering basic rock songs are in just a few keys and a few time signatures. If the instruments were recorded as clean separate tracks then in Garageband or Reaper it should be easy to change the guitar tone with software while still mixing and matching arbitrary song parts. This concept is very different than Garageband’s loops which are too short in general, and there’s not many good rock loops really. Looping them into song sections ends up sounding too quantized/repetitive because the ear wants to hear short repeated phrases with subtle differences, plus these loops don’t have a ready set of 3 matching tracks (guitar, bass, drums), its up to the user to mix from vague choices and see what sounds good which is a whole project in itself. Band In a Box kind of does this in jazz by generating fake songs but that software is kind of strange to use, still ancient 1990’s interface. It seems so backwards that some collection of tracks like this isn’t a standard learning tool for music students, I guess it’s just assumed that everyone is proficient enough in playing skill before ever wanting to write or record anything which is classical music teacher style thinking, not rock n roll style thinking. I mean considering that tons and tons of blues rock or basic punk songs are basically 1-4-5 then where’s the collection of song-segment backing tracks at a few different tempos with some different embellishments that are basically 1-4-5 verses and 1-4-5 choruses and whatever else matching chord bridges to mix and match. It would be perfect if this were part of GP6.. drag and drop song sections into place, reorder them, the sections are linked to actual real wav files, etc, change the instrument amp settings… good to go for formulaic practice songs.. Possible drawback that it could literally launch one hundred new Nickelback songs into the world, LOL Alternatively I guess someone who knows enough music theory to create a database from the tons of backing tracks on the backing track sites, literally using real songs as the basis for this kind of collection of “compatible song fragments”.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #21050

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    One week to deadline!

    The extended deadline for this year’s 18th Annual Great American Song Contest is Thursday, December 15. This deadline is final and there will be no additional extension.

    This was my entry http://guitarlessonforum.com/guitar-forums/topic/bettys-got-a-secret-original

    Winners announced and I am not on the list! >:-( I will have my revenge !! 😮

    They say the judges will email out the song feedback in 1-3 more weeks so that will be cool to see and I will post it in this thread. I like my song entry (the one I entered, had my real vocals). 😀

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #21130

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Wow, my contest score was really high! But the winners tho.. geez, no way to compete with these guys, most of them have multiple EP’s released and have been performing for a decade plus.. (the contest is supposed to be for amateurs so what’s up with that??) Specifically tho, its supposed to be a contest that ignores the “quality of the recording” which is good because my gp6 backing track is very cheesy sounding (whatever else they focus on aka “the songwriting” they don’t explain which is a big quirk in itself..).

    Anyways here’s my ‘report card’. Maybe my average was around 7 across the categories.. Not sure about that violent femmes comment but I’ll take it as a compliment, lol. It was actually based on a rockabilly groove (hence bass solo, for upright bass).. well I guess there is some genre crossover from rockabilly into early lite-punk in the feel. The true score can only come from a real audience of fans, not a judge, tho a contest is fun too.

    If your song scored in the middle ranges, you
    are clearly a good songwriter. If your scores are “8” or above, you are well on your way to becoming a great songwriter!

    This is one of the guys who actually won. Mossy Stump EP by WhiteLightning He sure deserved it, his EP and winning song sounds phenomenal. Total swamp blues “Psychedelic Relic”, just A+ nailed it, amazing track, I will probably even buy his EP. https://whitelightningsongs.bandcamp.com/album/mossy-stump-ep Talk about being outclassed by the competition.. Born in Brandon, Fla., Ian White has been performing music since the age of 6. He’s written and recorded more than 25 songs and plays guitar, keyboards, mandolin, ukulele, banjo, saxophone, harmonica, clarinet and drums.

    superblonde-bettys-got-a-secret-score

    The prosody part is the interesting one because it is kind of a vague concept of what’s good and what isn’t although the beat rule is kind of like this diagram. I found it easier to try to write the drums/backing and sing to that, vs what I was doing previously, trying to write lyrics then fit them to a song somehow, which just seems a much more difficult way to go (being able to sing helps a lot for this..).

    prosody-paper

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  • #21147

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    I wonder if I might end up getting myself kicked out of the local club open mic nite in the future.. there’s this hot waitress there who has the most biazrre high pitched speaking voice ever (sounds like she is breathing helium) yet fancies herself as funny, a couple weeks ago she apparently had a bday and as celebration, got on the open mic for a singing turn and started “attempting to sing” a bunch of songs in a row while joking around with cheesy dance moves, all off key, very very badly off key, such bad singing that some people not only myself were wincing (meanwhile some people were taking videos “omg I cant believe she is doing it, she is so crazy” ..whatever) … imho a big disrespect for the real amateur performers there, but hey it’s her bday booze fest nite, towards the end of open mic at midnight, so let it slide? This week tho, open mic rolls around, she is also again hanging out at the bar after her shift (doesn’t she have a better place to go?) and storms onto the open mic stage in front of an older dude playing guitar, saying “I know that one! I can totally sing it! omg they were totally daring me to sing again tonite” meanwhile the guitar dude is looking at her like, wtf? She starts attempting to sing random part of the song while he is attempting to play chords.. And the open mic host dude is egging her on, “go for it, go for it, haha”. What an insult.. I started booing really really loudly. I would have thrown tomatoes if I had any. Luckily she decided she didnt know the song after all, so, she left the stage. Just because a hot waitress is hot doesnt give her permission to storm on the stage without being able to even sing a single note properly, or even sign up for an open mic slot at all… Dudes in so cal are such chumps. When I run into the open mic host dude I’ll have to give him a wtf rant. some of the open mic people are not very good but it is easy to tell that they are trying hard and have worked at it even if their skill is way off in some areas. Open mic is not supposed to be a drunken karaoke nite for unpracticed bozos, it is supposed to be a supportive nite for local performers who at least attempt to rehearse..

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #21214

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    In this clinic video Devin Townsend admits that he has synesthesia – notes and numbers have colors and shapes (circle, triangle, etc). See, naturals do exist.
    and also, the age old solid advice of: put something out faster and learn to fail efficiently.
    Also he says he has a biography/book out which I didnt know.. new? and says he wrote it himself?


    Devin Townsend Clinic (Full) Axe Palace
    Published on Oct 5, 2016
    Devin Townsend sits down for a full guitar clinic at the Axe Palace in Walpole, MA to discuss his 6-String Signature Series Fishman Fluence Pickups, Framus Guitars, Evertune Bridge, touring life and what he experienced while creating his full discography.

    Also he mentions briefly his main technique for songwriting which is, wake up from a dream and attempt to sing something into his phone recorder, which is interesting because its maybe kind of the best way to let out the subconscious creativity. Dream state is great for solving problems and creating new things..

    This Townsend video below is now my favorite vocal demonstration ever. Especially the last 1/3 with the facial expressions.


    Devin Townsend performs ‘Kingdom’ for EMGtv
    Published on Feb 5, 2014
    Sit back and watch as Devin Townsend takes you through his “Kingdom”. Devin is a consummate performer, and we were thrilled to spend time with him in our studio. In partnership with Fractal Audio and D’Addario, Mr. Townsend showcases his EMG 81 and EMG 66 humbucker pickups for the EMGtv audience.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #21220

    vik
    Participant

     

    There was a product I remember from the 70’s / early 80’s that would give one synesthesia.

    Alas, the effects were temporary.

    • #21280

      superblonde
      Keymaster

      ha, i think there’s some vegan edibles freely available in some grassy fields after a nice rain, on that point as well.. 😮

      I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
      And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #21274

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    This is my super amazing “12-Bar Riff Blues in C Major, with Dom7 7-3-5 Chord Voicing, and C Minor Pentatonic Melody” made for the music MOOC, recorded by playing my super cheapie keyboard. Took me like 25 hrs of study and playing to do, whoa (for a class that says, “3-5 hrs per week” required). Its a graded assignment so I purposely kept it very simple in order for it to be correct according to the assignment rules, as well as me being pretty poor at playing keyboards.

    The song rule was, the melody had to be: play 2 bars over the 1 chord, then rest 2 bars, then repeat same 2 bars over the 4 chord, then rest 2 bars, then play variation on melody over the next 2 bars, then rest 2 bars, then repeat the song again. My chord chart:

    jcline-12-bar-riff-blues

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

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  • #21304

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Quickie progress video. A bunch of typical soloing on the of CBC Week 2 exercise. Sorry I didnt get the girl on the paddle board in this shot.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #21311

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Whew! I passed the first berklee music MOOC. 95.5%. But they totally lie. The course info page says “3-5 hrs/wk” and it’s completely false. It’s more like 15-20 hrs/wk and I can say that even when I know a bunch of theory stuff and how to practice music type stuff and how to record tracks, etc. Because, to actually learn the material, it takes a minimum of 1-1.5 hr/day of keyboard or interval practice. Then, it takes 1-1.5 hr/day for paper theory study and material review. That is easily 2 hrs per day (14 hrs/wk). The end-of-week assignments took me about 6 hours each and I did average quality work on them, not overboard. The professor in the video says, “just practice 15 minutes a day” which is completely false. No one would get anywhere on the material in only 15 minutes a day. It is possible to pass the class without much mastery of the material at all.. because there’s a lot of fudge room going on.. but still I had to take one of the quizzes I think 7 times before I passed it (because of the ear testing on intervals) and then I tried it a couple more times to see if I could beat my high score (I couldn’t). Which means, that even after spending the amount time during the 6 weeks of the class, I need to take another big chunk of time re-reviewing the material and practicing daily, before moving on, otherwise I’ll already be starting way behind again.

    So, who are these people who supposedly, easily, complete the course with only 3-5 hrs/wk of study? There’s at least 1 hour needed just for watching the instruction videos per week. And doing the assignment even for someone who mastered the material already, would take an hour to do and prepare (upload, etc). Therefore these time estimates are wildly optimistic.. not even government building contractors would give a fake work estimate that low.

    No wonder I failed the class so miserably the first time I tried it.. (back in 2014 when it was first offered).. their/my expectations were just completely wrong. The first week is easy. Then it takes huge jumps which are impenetrable. “Here’s how to play a C chord. Here’s how to read notes on the treble staff. OK great. Now play this 12 measure chord progression with alternate voicing and play a melody on top, and do it by sight reading, and at 80 BPM with this backing track.” What??! 😮 😮

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #21363

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    I have had it with these vocal instructor guys. Had it! Altho vocal instruction is somewhat helpful it is also just juvenile. This is the latest instruction I got in email this week.

    Expert singers use the following approach very successfully, when singing ballads, (especially those which contain some sadness) with only the face to use for “Presentation” purposes.

    Select someone specific which you will pretend you are singing to, as you sing the ballad. Reviewing the lyrics first might help you determine the most appropriate person for you.

    1. As I review the lyrics in the song, I see someone whose heart is breaking, who has fear and sorrow, and who may even be crying. For me this represents someone a little older than a small child. I have a granddaughter, Patty, who is in college, who may be meeting the man of her future, but who she may have discovered isn’t everything she thought he would be. Using her will work for me on this song.
    2. In the second song, it looks like a young child who can’t go to a party with her friends, because the rain has caused the party to be cancelled. In this song, Patty will work again, but I will remember her as pretty youngster who lived in Washington, where it often rained unexpectedly.

    Try this yourself. Once you have selected those you will be singing to, it will definitely improve what you are singing, because you will have a meaning in the words you sing.

    I responded to this advice that it would be better to detail specific vocal techniques used on the sheet music, and then practice those techniques repetitively, and then, when singing normally, the performance would be reliable, and also, the techniques would have to be made specific, so I’d actually know what to do. The response: “Your suggestion requires the singer to be thinking about what is actions should be, not what he naturally would do when talking to his friend. This technique is used by the best vocalists.”

    You don’t need to have the blues, to play the blues. No matter what BB King used to say.. This style of vocal instruction is completely empty of usable technique.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #21367

    Igglepud
    Participant

    You might try asking different questions. You want information on how to project accurate pitch at volume while maintaining control of your voice. What you received is acting lessons on how to put feeling in your lyrics.

    If you really want to learn singing, check out the KTVA singing course. I’m starting it this summer, and what I’ve seen so far is epic. Just previewing parts of it I learned about slurring vowels together, and that makes singing a lot better. For example, to sing “I” you could sing “ah” followed by “ee”. “I am” would be “ah-ee-yam”.

    MY ROCK IS FIERCE!!!

  • #21370

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Yes absolutely.. Especially about the phonetics.. I made a lyrics sheet/phonetic guide to the main song we are singing in the vocal lessons, altho I did it myself and tried to add the appropriate rules from the many “only verbally given” instructions..

    Here’s a screenshot to my partial sheet (these phonetics are very particular to this vocal style, not the same as rock):

    superblonde-smile-phoentics

    Now I just dont get why I should have to make my own sheet where I’m assuming what the instructor is saying -vs- getting this provided as a method of technique. (He said: “I’d rather everyone know the rules, and apply those generally, rather than mark up this sheet music.” what the huh? How do I know if my interpretation is accurate? Dynamics are also not notated and there are many dynamics in the instruction.. just verbal instructions that are sometimes inconsistent or supposed to be memorized on the spot: “Let’s do this twice more so you lock it in your memory.” What the huh? That’s not a rigorous method of instruction? (I should note, this is a different instructor for the past couple months.)

    This previous vocal instruction email I got peeved about, is regarding how to perform ‘physical expressions’ while singing a couple songs (facial expression etc). Ok fine, let’s say I attempt to implement that. Still, my interpretation of the lyrics might be different than what is desired by the instructor and my physical expression may be completely different than desired. I had responded that the suggestion is the same as method acting. When I say, method acting, I just don’t think these instructors know what I’m talking about. Method acting has it’s fans but more often it is debunked as a valid method of performance (especially reliable or repeatable performance).

    Actually I simply don’t know what different questions to ask. If I’m being asked to perform something in a specific way, that should be the same each time (especially with tiny improvements each time), then I want instructions for how to do that. These guys then assume “well then it’s not natural.” It’s called: practicing. Repetition of technique is what ingrains it in the performance. That’s professional…. this reply “well that’s how the pro’s say they do it” is just garbage advice. It’s like BB King saying he needs to feel the blues to play the blues. That’s just what he says because it makes people happy to hear that. It’s not what he’s actually doing when he played the blues. Or to the extreme, that someone needs to be an old, sad, black farmer to play the blues properly. That whole style of advice is a stack of cards that doesnt hold up to any scrutiny.

    Now sure, BB King did say, make facial expressions, because it will translate into the performance being more emotional for the audience. Sure, that’s true. Dee J’s Monster Power Chords vol.1 is great instruction on the benefit of facial expressions when playing.

    I don’t like KTVA. I think he is one of the best out there online. There’s things about his instructional style that don’t see as beneficial for me personally. If you like his style then by all means go for it. It would be great to hear your progress thru that too.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

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  • #21373

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    I dont think it’s asking too much to really get to the bottom of this bad advice. The kind of advice the vocal instructors give, just does not compare to what pro performers really seem to do or say, common sayings like, “When I go on stage, I’m not thinking about anything, I just let the music happen.” And that exactly matches my experience too. The definition of flow state, by those guys who use that type of analogy, say that optimal performance happens when in the zone, when the mind is blank in essence, when all the previous practice creates a sense of calmness and the ability to just get out of the way of the action, etc etc. As for amateur performance, this type of advice “imagine you’re singing to your niece” or whatever, is negative, because an amateur on a stage is going to be nervous and absolutely not able to concentrate on their imaginary friend. I could literally imagine I am hacking someone up like Freddy Kruger (not a happy scene..well.. for these songs anyways), and should be able to get the same great performance across.

    Here’s what science has to say, in my belief, it agrees.

    Psychonomic Bulletin & Review 2010, 17 (3), 317-322 doi:10.3758/PBR.17.3.317
    Facial expressions of singers influence perceived pitch relations

    WILLIAM FORDE THOMPSON
    Macquarie University, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
    FRANK A. RUSSO
    Ryerson University, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
    AND
    STEVEN R. LIVINGSTONE
    McGill University, Montreal, Quebec, Canada

    In four experiments, we examined whether facial expressions used while singing carry musical information that can be “read” by viewers. In Experiment 1, participants saw silent video recordings of sung melodic inter- vals and judged the size of the interval they imagined the performers to be singing. Participants discriminated in- terval sizes on the basis of facial expression and discriminated large from small intervals when only head move- ments were visible. Experiments 2 and 3 confirmed that facial expressions influenced judgments even when the auditory signal was available. When matched with the facial expressions used to perform a large interval, audio recordings of sung intervals were judged as being larger than when matched with the facial expressions used to perform a small interval. The effect was not diminished when a secondary task was introduced, suggesting that audio–visual integration is not dependent on attention. Experiment 4 confirmed that the secondary task reduced participants’ ability to make judgments that require conscious attention. The results provide the first evidence that facial expressions influence perceived pitch relations.

    PMID: 20551352 DOI: 10.3758/PBR.17.3.317

    Ok that’s all well and good, facial expressions influence an audience’s perception of pitch. So when is it useful? Only some notes should be influenced, not all musical notes. Emphasis on the wrong note, would be backwards. The conclusion of the paper gives brief details:

    During normal face-to-face conversations, eyebrow and head movements reinforce prosodic information (tone of voice), including information about which word in a sen- tence received emphatic stress and whether a sentence is a statement or question (Bernstein, Demorest, & Tucker, 2000). Our findings indicate that facial movements are similarly important in communicating information about musical pitch.

    Facial and head movements may reflect pitch relations for several reasons. First, performers might directly com- municate pitch relations through conscious or unconscious movements of facial features, such as the eyebrows, mouth opening, and head. By mapping the extent of pitch change onto observable movements, performers might reinforce the size of the interval and facilitate melodic processing. Such movements may also convey to listeners that pitch changes are intentional. Second, facial expressions may communicate an emotional interpretation of the interval. Larger intervals are generally associated with higher de- grees of emotional intensity, which may be reflected in greater movement. Third, performers may inadvertently move their eyebrows and head in response to an arousal state associated with pitch movement. Scherer (2003) ob- served that increased vocal pitch range is associated with heightened emotional arousal. Similarly, people are more expressive in their visual prosody during heightened emo- tional states. Thus, performing a large pitch interval may suggest heightened arousal that, in turn, is reflected in face and head movements. Finally, facial and head movements may be introduced to optimize vocal production. Accurate performance of melodic intervals requires rapidly reposi- tioning the vocal apparatus, with larger changes in pitch requiring greater degrees of repositioning.

    To me, it is far more appropriate to pick out the musical phrases, on the sheet, which are purposely large intervals, and make a specific note on the sheet, to emphasize facial expression at exactly that point, and then practice that repetitively. This isn’t rocket science. It would seem to be a mistake to emphasize a facial expression “because I really feel it right here on this word”, on a musical phrase that isn’t changing pitch, or staying relatively the same, or if it is moving in a direction of smaller intervals.

    And writing it on the page means it can be practiced and performed the same way, months later, when it’s not super fresh in memory anymore.

    It’s no wonder these vocal guys are always moving one step forward then one step back. The instruction they get, is just not rigorous at all. I could forward this paper but, a) he wouldn’t read it; b) if he read it, he’d forget to apply it; c) he gets so much of the other type of instruction that the valid scientifically proven point would be lost.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #21374

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    I suppose it’s not fair to rant about the vocal stuff without posting one of our live recordings. Put up or shut up, you know. So here is one I went back to review from last month (March 2017). I dragged the guys (after many coaxing emails) to a morning local farmers market where performance conditions were marginal yet a good test of practice and good exposure. So we had a quartet, myself being the leader. Our second time performing there (without permission, just show up and assume we won’t get kicked out.. we asked permission of nearby vendors and everyone told us they enjoyed it). It was quite loud for vocal performance because of a band playing there (two actually, at either end), I picked a spot for us to perform, which would have good traffic of passers-by as audience. A few reasons for this.. following Doug’s mantra that the best way to get people in gear is to create a definite performance deadline and goal (so they’ll practice, in order to not embarrass themselves), and as a proving ground to see if the guys could again improve on previous performances. I got the drift that they were not practicing for this and so, I slacked on it myself, couldn’t muster my own discipline enough either. So the results turned out rather amateur. I had requested we keep performing for approx 2 hrs and we lasted about 40 mins before things started sounding pretty downhill fast. By 90 mins the guys were pretty much spent.

    Still it was a lot of fun to do. Here’s one of the better tracks, from early on in the day. My vocals are most prominent because I sing the lead vocal part, which means, I get the pickup phrases (can be heard here in the “Yes it’s a”), I set the tempo and dynamics, and my part has the main melody. Not to bag on the guys, well okay I will, one of the guys clearly does not remember the words (again!). :-/ Fun, yet I’m fed up with this vocal group stuff. My singing and phonetics might be crap but I know my basic part. You guys can be the judges..

    For anyone that is wondering the songs have a lot of dim seventh chords. To be totally clear I believe the following two tracks are pretty bad, very amateur result.

    Ok I’ll post a second one for comparison, for the really curious, the same song after we took a break and moved to another side of the market to repeat our set list.

    Just for info, I remember practicing that “Yes it’s a.. good” couple of measures with pickup melody note, at least 4 days a week, a dozen times per day (different times of day like morning and evening), for several weeks straight, before I got close to being correct pitch on it. I put it in GP6 as a piano and looped it while listening to myself with a mic on monitor-record in Reaper, also singing into a tuner to verify my pitch slowly, or reviewing my recording with Reaper’s tuner plugin. Plus a lot of reps in the car when driving around, and also when singing in the shower. The key is to do it a few minutes multiple times per day for weeks, that seems to be the only way that really worked for me.. Correct pitch is way more important than phonetics or diaphragm breathing etc etc, which are secondary after the muscles can control the throat to make the correct intervals.. (Kind of like one of the guys constantly saying we should work on our vocal blend, meanwhile he does not remember the notes.)

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #21427

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Whew! I passed the first berklee music MOOC. 95.5%. But they totally lie. The course info page says “3-5 hrs/wk” and it’s completely false. It’s more like 15-20 hrs/wk and I can say that even when I know a bunch of theory stuff and how to practice music type stuff and how to record tracks, etc.

    I got a response back from the staff of the course about my comment on their suggested work effort. I was correct that it would take 15-20 hrs not “3-5 hrs” as advertised. They admit to their lie.

    Your time estimates for the required work load are generally correct. The advertised time commitment is lower in order to encourage the students, especially the hobbyists, to enrol and study the material.

    For a true newbie student it might take more, even up to 30 hrs/week, I could see that easily, if someone has to learn about how to record, upload tracks, correctly play according to a metronome click, etc, etc.

    What they don’t seem to understand is that under-stating the required work, especially drastically like this, is way more discouraging, than encouraging, to someone who is interested in music. I tried the same MOOC back in early 2014 when it was first put online, skated thru the first easy peasy week, then crashed and burned hard, could not even continue past week 3, and all without any expectation of failing so miserably.. almost concluding again, “this music stuff is obviously not for me, I just don’t get it.” What if I put a label on a Differential Equations class, “3-5 hrs/week required” when really it’s more like 20 hrs/week, then when 50% of the class fails I say, oh, that was just to encourage new students to try it out?

    Anyway, as mentioned elsewhere on this forum, it’s already proven by research that underestimating work load, in the end only discourages students, it does not help. So, shame on berklee MOOC for misleading students.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #21566

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    The vocal group I was previously with, is not happy that I left. After skipping a couple weeks of rehearsals from being generally peeved at our very sub-par performances, I went to a rehearsal again and was greeted with “come back! we really need you!” Very flattering 😀 Well, I did learn a lot from the work I had to put in.. Instead, I’ve been going to a different vocal group which welcomed me to join them. The problem is that this second group is 45 mi away and rehearsals are at 7pm which means really bad traffic getting there.. takes a bit over an hour in the commute. Yuck. Even more flattering is that after rehearsing with them for a couple weeks, they asked me to join their group for an upcoming vocal competition in LA. What, me in a vocal competition? Are these guys nuts? LOL I declined because, I consider that a live audience is my judge, not a bunch of square, golf shirt wearing “america’s got talent” wanna-be’s holding score cards and pretending to be able to tell what is “cool” or “not cool” when they aren’t very cool themselves. The new group asked me to join for their next live vocal show, so, I’m gonna go for that instead.. because.. there’s a surprise that I hope to post about real soon.

    I ran across this band article that I think is absolutely perfect and sums up my opinion about this first vocal group.
    “7 Reasons Why No One’s Coming To Your Shows”

    7-reasons-why-no-one-omes-to-your-shows

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

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  • #21589

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Whoa the vocals..


    Dee Snider’s Emotional Stripped Down Version of “We’re Not Gonna Take It”

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #21615

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    Chris Rock mentions something interesting in his rolling stone interview (yuck, that magazine’s journalism is so try-hard high-society)

    “I mean, if Simply Red can play Wembley Stadium in London and then the Beacon in New York, I can do that,” he says. After soundcheck, he lets me in on a secret. “The great thing about comedy is the low overhead,” Rock says. “I don’t have to split the money with a band. I make more money per gig than the drummer in Metallica.” http://www.rollingstone.com/tv/features/chris-rock-cover-story-on-his-new-tour-and-starting-over-w479496

    Goes along with the idea that a one-man-band is a good way to go, economically speaking.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #21627

    superblonde
    Keymaster

    I ran across this article while searching for why my fretting hand 2nd finger is always curling up. My finger does this by itself regardless how much attention I give it to make it “not” curl up. The article is from a pro-classical guitarist-composer who had a real diagnosed condition causing his fingers to curl abnormally (note, I dont have this condition, tho it is informative) and after many years of searching for a solution thru doctors, specialists, and new age weirdos, he developed an exercise which solved his finger control problem in five minutes.

    His point is, the muscles used for playing are actually at the back of the arm/shoulder area [confirmed by doctors]. They are not in the forearm. Whereas, some people including himself, may develop technique for playing faster using only the forearm, and then much later run into this horrible trouble of playing, maybe being unable to continue playing at all – because of simply having trained the wrong muscles from the start. Now, he’s actually talking about his right hand and hybrid picking. Tho I’m sure this principle applies to fretting hand as well.

    Within five minutes of doing this, I was able to use my ring finger, that I hadn’t used for eight years. Five minutes! Now, you have to understand that until this time I couldn’t even place my right hand at the strings without the fingers curling in. At this moment, not only was I able to put my hand at the strings but I was able to actually use the ring finger to pluck the string independently. I knew I was on to something.

    I proceeded to refine these ideas, and I came to find out – and I’m quite sure of this now – that the focal dystonia place is here, in the back of the shoulder, at the apex of where the arm meets the torso.

    I started to feel, as I plucked the strings, the contact with that area and also the triceps area in the upper arm. I would think of my hand as a big nothing, a big blob that was attached to my arm by way of a stabilised wrist. And the wrist, being stabilised, made the arm and the hand move as one piece. And I moved this large lever from the elbow down, from the string up towards my face in this large motion. As I grabbed the string I would feel the string’s tension in those large muscle groups in the upper arm. And I would pull it towards me.

    Sure enough, within a year I was able to use my middle finger much more, and in another year I was able to use my ring finger in concert, and as of this year my hand is one hundred per cent. I may be the only person to have completely recovered from focal dystonia. If there are others. I am not aware of them.

    I’m very excited about it, of course, not only for myself but also for other people. There are many, many guitarists and pianists, and a number of bowed string players and other instrumentalists, who have exactly the same problem and do not know how to fix it. I think I have at least the beginnings of a sense of how to fix it.

    Can faulty teaching or faulty learning cause the syndrome?

    I wouldn’t care to lay blame. I would simply say that we’re learning. Technique in the guitar world is maybe just past the infant stage. The keyboard instruments and the bowed string instruments have hundreds of years of technical expertise and tradition behind them –

    But they still get this problem sometimes!

    That’s true! This is, in fact, a 20th century problem that has to do with larger concert halls, more pressure to play faster, louder, more often, more difficult repertoire. And what we are beginning to find out is that the technique that instrumentalists in general have developed is not up to those tasks.
    http://davidleisner.com/journey-of-discovery/

    He has some longer articles on his site http://davidleisner.com/articles/ and a video and descriptions of exercises to do in order to focus on using the right (according to him) muscle groups for playing.

    In his video, he mentions “if you have pain-soreness below the thumb on this fleshy part of your hand” which I definitely do have, a lot.

    In particular he mentions the phrase ‘learn to relax this muscle, in this particular way’ which is a concept I’ve seen written many places when people talk about learning to play better/faster.. something about learning to relax undesirable muscles to activate the desired ones, which then allows for proper playing technique and then more speed. Often described like, “I started playing faster only when I learned to relax” which is hardly a good description. Some of my progress videos, my finger economy is really bad, mostly horrible really. Practicing with various exercises and various tempos slow or fast, hasn’t really isolated this to eliminate it. Focusing on the fingers, or doing lots of normal stuff, hasnt really solved it. Like, my fly-away-pinkie problem. I made some custom nontraditional exercises that have helped a lot in a short time though, I think they had the most benefit. It is probably slightly unique for different people’s anatomies and forearm playing angles. The biggest thing I guess, is to always continue experimenting with personalizing exercises or trying oddball finger techniques to find a combination of exercises that gets over whatever playing obstacles, and it should work in a very short time, like “five minutes” (per day for a few weeks).. if it doesn’t then try something else, maybe something that seems a bit whacky or against conventional practice advice. It’s worth mentioning that I’m healthy and have played sports etc.. not someone with muscle problems or diagnosed conditions (lucky for me), yet still my fingers seem outside any method of my own control. And it’s not like I’m one of those people ‘unaware’ of their muscles either.. Ive done plenty of yoga. So it really comes down to having the right fingering exercise to isolate and train or retrain whatever specific finger problem is going on.

    I'm an intermediate student of Metal Method. I play seitannic heavy metal. All Kale Seitan! The glutens will be eaten with relish!
    And on the Seventh Day, Mustaine said: ∇ ⨯ E = - ∂B / ∂t ; and there was Thrash; and it had a ♭3; and it was good.

  • #18430

    RobbyN
    Participant

    Nice pis SB!

    Robby

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